DH626. You will enjoy Monarch. It is a great place to work.

I am fairly sure newbies on the cadet scale earning 10/13th salary are not getting anywhere close to that.

The actual flying pay is very high , I have easily taken home over a grand a month during the summer , probably the case here

Yeah even so and correct me if I am wrong the cadet pay is 38k a year full time, non core pilots get 10/13th of that which is like 30k plus £14 per hour flight pay, say 700 a year if your lucky which totals about 40k! And you have to pay for your type rating these days.

Thank you :) I have a few friends in the company and they all love it.
I definitely can't complain coming in as non type rated and not having to pay for the rating.
It is a 10/13 contract but that suits me having some time off in the winter allowing me to do certain things, very similar to my current company which I love!

Nice to see an airline striking 'the John Lewis factor': happy employees/customers whilst still making a bit of money at the same time. Long may it last.

Cadet pay is for nil experience candidates (monarch actually respects previous experience) ,
Monarch pay for type rating (paid for mine anyway)
Realistic Snr F/O take home is around 45-50k (everything included/Full time) ,
You can decide what you want to do in the airline now if you are in the core group of pilots , 75%,50% . 12/13ths ,full time etc....
most have found that 75% works out best just for lifestyle /pay .
Some live to work others work to live

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To take home £50k you would have to be earning in excess of £73k gross.

I don't believe there are any FO's at MON, regardless or scheme, earning that.

It's now been the best part of a decade since I was a member of the Spotty M family, in many ways I'd have to agree with the posters on their historical view of the place. All that being said, it did have its challenges that is no doubt, as has been eluded too the company was notorious for being tight fisted with respect to hotels and add-ons in the form of breakfasts etc.
My all time favourite memory of the place was just before or just after I left, a certain 330 Captain decided a low pass near the crew hotel in a certain part of Africa was required, on hearing about this incident the Flt Ops dept issued a please explain......a report was duly received..."bird avoidance"
A close second place, the 330 having recently been introduced was being sent to exotic climes, on one occasion to a rather tight ramp ringed with coconut palms. The worst subsequently happened and a wingtip met a grisly fate amongst the coconut trees during a tight turn onto stand....the Captain was from there after known as "Virgil" (thunderbird 2 pilot) for his expertise at parting coconut trees...he also from time to time received mysterious donations of bounty bars in his cubbyhole.
That in my time summed up the place, fun yes, professional always but most importantly a practical no nonsense approach to most airline things, there were one or two exceptions as there are in all airlines but they were usually stomped on pretty firmly.

Monarch man , nicely summed up !

Station calling , 50k take home is pretty normal? Get taxed around 2k a month , basic is 58000 , add around 12k for flight pay - 70k then other bits ( voyage etc... ) 73k , 24k off for tax = 49k that's excluding any day off payments which can increase pay hugely .
In October I managed to somehow get 3 in a month roughly an extra 1200 (after tax ) , think it was £5200 that month !
Please don't think I'm trying to willy wave , just saying the facts , all true
You can find the pay on pilot jobs network you will see that it adds up

58k is a year 5 scale and full time which nobody is until May. Any new joiner will be on 10/13th of the year 1 pay which is 54! Also flight pay is £14.50 per block hour so to make 12k you would need to do 830 hours a year, which with Monarch's quite winters is impossible (I never did more than 700 and 650 was more typical, although I appreciate this is slightly base dependant), also I don't remember anything like voyage pay defiantly not 3 grands worth. Day of working payments are good money but the company don't like giving them and they are an exception not a rule, I was getting maybe 3 or 4 a year! Also during the summer with 7 days off a month you physically can't work a day off! For anyone joining the company be advised that your take home pay will be considerably lower than the figures quoted above I think you will lucky to get 50k before tax.

Obviously a new joiner would be less , I think Monarch pay is fantastic considering the 2 sector days and the relationship with the fellow crew , compared to other airlines it's got to be up in the top

I'm glad you're pleased. I always heard good things from my friends there. It was saddening to see the uncertainty prevail in recent times, but hopefully that's behind you.

Regarding the money - don't fixate on it. The fact is that with the UK tax system the way it is, disparities between various airline pay grades are actually hugely eroded. When you make 5 grand less than x per year, that's little over a couple of hundred quid a month.

I'd say the biggest financial benefit of the likes of Tom/Mon/TCX are that you can be based in parts of the country where realistically, your costs of living are upwards of a grand a month less. Yes, I appreciate you can commute down to LHR if you're that way inclined, but again, that costs money and disrupts your days off/lifestyle.

That there, is the biggest benefit of the holiday carriers. Leverage that lifestyle to your advantage. Friends that lived up north based in NCL and the like enjoyed marvellous lifestyles. They joined BA in a panic, because their employer hit shaky ground, and every single one that I know regrets it.

Mcnugget

I must agree that money can't buy my 12 minute commute to work ! Over a year of work I'm getting a huge amount of time extra in bed , which in this industry is priceless!
I personally work out of BHX , never any holding delays (except in extreme circumstances) and a 10min walk to the crew room

Not always. I was speaking to someone recently who has a job offer from Monarch - but he has to find £30k for the type rating.

What's the plan for crewing the MAX? Retrain guys internally, recruit 73 rated or a mixture of both. Thanks

My best guess is those having to pay upfront for type rating are cadets. NTR but experienced guys who joined with me were bonded.

Regarding the 737, training is taking place internally and I think 73 rated folks are being recruited as well.

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Hello

Can anyone tell what Sim type Monarch use for their Sim checks?

Thanks

Has anyone had a sim check recently following the interview that could provide some insight on what to expect? 737 rated

Anyone able to provide up to date take home pay after an average month of flying both high and low season for an FO? Thanks

It is pretty varied ,
The month just gone was pretty busy ! Usually in the summer months you will easily be able to get a day off working payment which boosts the salary significantly
High season £4500pm (maybe more at times)
Low season £3800pm

I'm not full time (12/13s) so I'm down roughly £300 pm , but I like having a month off in winter (full time is available) .

Last year after tax I took home around £50k so average earnings around £4100pm
Hope it helps

I think we have had this discussion before but forgive me, Snapper and I seem to have worked for completely different companies. Here are the actual facts for anyone joining the company now.

Full time basic £54,500. New joiners will join on 10/13th of that figure till a space opens up on the core fleet of pilots at which point you can choose what proportion you like.

So that's £41,923

Flight pay is £15.22 per block hour. Assume 750 a year (I never did more than 650, don't under estimate how quite winter is).

So that's £11,415

Total package is £53,338 which is £3226 after tax!

Day of payments are very generous £474 but you can't rely on them. Crewing are instructed not to use them unless totally nessacary, if Monarch have crewing levels correct you won't get any, summer months you get minimum days off (7 in 28 so the law does not allow you to sell days off), winters are very slow and something has gone badly wrong if crewing need to use DOW. I used to get maybe 4 or 5 a year.

Snappers figures don't add up me. His basic plus (800 hours and that is very generous) of flight pay will be £62,483. To Net £50k he would need to make £75k which means he has sold 13k worth of days off which is 28!

Just saying how it is mate , wish you could post pictures ,
Just looking at my p60 for 2016 got £52910 after £9768 tax reductions 😫😷
Your at BA now aren't you ?

Do your figures include a CTC loan repayment?

Yes they do which I completely forgot about !
I'm not entirely sure how much that is a month , probably around £350

All in all it's a very good package , the pay might not be as grand as some airlines BUT our scheduling agreement and 2 sector days with lovely crew is worth its weight in gold

I don't disagree it's a great company, good job and decent package but the figures you are quoting of take home £4500 plus a month makes it the best paid year one F/O job in the U.K.

I would say your loan repayment is more than 350 a month. People are asking what they can expect to take home if they took the job now, your pay is not representative of what new joiners will expect, telling them what you earn is irrelevant, what they want to know is what they will earn and for that they can refer to my figures above. (You are welcome to correct me on the figures but I am 100% sure they are correct).

Ctc loan repayment is tax efficient

It's not difficult , so without the payment joining with over 1500hrs you will go onto a full time contract because we are very under crewed and have 15 extra airframes arriving in the next few years , you will most definitely be doing nearly 800 hours a year (absolutely maxed in the summer)
Basic is 54500
Flight pay is 15.22ph
54500+12176= £66676(before tax)
Obviously you can sell your soul if you want , you can make good money .
Also 8% pension which I believe is better than easy

Enzo

Very few airlines get their Crewing levels correct. to cover 3 flights a day you need morning/afternoon and night standby. If you have a pilot willing to sell his day off you only need 1 or 2 at the most.
The likes of Thomson and others have been doing this for years (and i mean years) very successfully. As long as the bean counters get their heads round the benefits e.g. how much does it cost to charter a Titan 767 vv paying a Pilot £500 then everyone's a winner

So just to be absolutely clear, the whole "Core/Non Core pilot" thing argeed with BALPA has been scrapped? So absolutely 100% all new joiners will be full time contracts from day 1? This might well have changed since I left in which case I might apply for my job back 😉

Word on the grape vine is that new joiners as long as they are over 1500hrs (sfo) are permanent , I can ask from the top If you desire

Enzo999

Whilst your intentions are good the information you provide is incorrect on several fronts.

In general the company has always relied on DOWP and this year is no different, if not even more. With the fleet changing from Airbus to Boeing the next few years will be busy for everybody. Though I agree that the winters are quiet, once people go for their B737 type rating the work will have to be done by the remaining pilots. Several pilots have been sitting at 90 hours a month the whole of last winter!

Forgot to mention that's not strictly correct now either. EASA has no such thing as a day off so it's only the UK Working Time Directive which is 7 days off in the month

interesting article in todays times about Monarch

Nice to see the CEO managed to receive a inflation busting pay rise of 12 per cent this year ...

Still 50% less than the last :mad: who nearly sunk them

Losses that we expected due to the retirement of the airbus fleet (good old journalists) ,
Yes a juicy pay rise of 12% is a bit frustrating making it around the £550000 mark

You're attributing all those losses to retirement of the Airbus fleet?

Boeing rescues Monarch with new £165m fleet deal

Investment (sale and leaseback) by a company of which you are a customer is not a solid platform for the future.