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TheEdge 5th October 2023 08:08


Originally Posted by zen krempie (Post 11514451)
the Baltic based Mafias

Baltic ACMI...the cancer of aviation

batushka 7th October 2023 11:50


Originally Posted by twentyfivehundred220 (Post 11509446)
I understand you will follow me anywhere. If you ever tried to get a job at airbaltic - too bad the unsuccessful assesment left such a huge impact to your ego. But hey - you wouldn't like flying here anyway, so maybe the company was right in not hiring for any position whatsoever.

I don't know if the people you attack with your different accounts had an assessment. I can speak for my case. When I was assessed I had more than 2000 hours on an proper CS 25 airliner with FMS and EFIS . That time market was still bad so I booked a sim session for a DA42 sim in Germany before the assessment. It didn't help at all. The assessment was full of tricks. Non standard ones. For the record I had a successful assessment few years ago and another one few months ago.
Describe please your assessment to see if we had the same one. Don't spare the details, it will make the difference. Because I believe that you, and people like you, had a special treatment. That special treatment was the reason to invite you at the first place despite you didn't meet the entry requirements. With your other accounts you admit that Let410, Beechcraft 1900, Js31, piston trainers, pilots were hired. These aircrafts are not CS25, FMS as per the requirements. Another user, wrote that he was fired just before the TR to be replaced with someone of your kind.
A failed assessments is not a big deal. I feel lucky that I was failed and got a better job later. What is annoying is to invite people that will be failed in favor of others who managed to be invited without meeting the requirements and would be hired no matter what. More annoying is to have here a person of that breed making lectures. With multiple accounts, something which reflects the fraudy ways you use


Jayg742 9th October 2023 12:50

That is correct for basic but there is 3 levels which goes upto around 3300 or 3400 after that, nothing

motardos 11th October 2023 14:57

Is there a chance to get Tampere base in Finland without asking it? Is the salary the same for Tampere base?

Jayg742 11th October 2023 19:25


Originally Posted by motardos (Post 11518775)
Is there a chance to get Tampere base in Finland without asking it? Is the salary the same for Tampere base?

There is no tampere base unfortunately, only in name. No crews are based in tampere I assume for exactly that reason to keep the pay and conditions the same. All flights from tampere are operated by RIX based crew on 4 or 5 days rotations

menekse 13th October 2023 17:00


Originally Posted by 45989 (Post 11500959)
Trustworthy?
I am not an insider but can't be a coincidence that in this forum there are negative feedbacks for every single airline in the Baltics, Heston, Getjet, Airbaltic, Smartlynx, Avion Express

I saw an advert for Xfly, they ask 200hr TT and a type rating on CRJ
What's the catch there, do they ask to pay an overpriced TR to hire you? I think they are based in Estonia

uberfly 14th October 2023 10:23


Originally Posted by menekse (Post 11520445)
I saw an advert for Xfly, they ask 200hr TT and a type rating on CRJ
What's the catch there, do they ask to pay an overpriced TR to hire you? I think they are based in Estonia

They operate CRJs on behalf of SAS.

patituri 14th October 2023 11:59


Originally Posted by menekse (Post 11520445)
I saw an advert for Xfly, they ask 200hr TT and a type rating on CRJ
What's the catch there, do they ask to pay an overpriced TR to hire you? I think they are based in Estonia

At least CRJ is a more popular TR, it worth to pay a bit more to land a better job offer later like Vista Jet which offers a commuting roster
Some AirBaltic F/O left the company after a few months of employment and they paid the bond for a TR which is not helpful

Intrance 23rd October 2023 21:34


Originally Posted by patituri (Post 11520953)
At least CRJ is a more popular TR, it worth to pay a bit more to land a better job offer later like Vista Jet which offers a commuting roster
Some AirBaltic F/O left the company after a few months of employment and they paid the bond for a TR which is not helpful

Xfly pay (significantly) less than airBaltic, are in significant financial trouble and the CRJ is a bit of a dying breed in Europe. There are probably more A220s flying around Europe than CRJs. At Vista you would still need a new rating for pretty much everything in their fleet except the old CL850s.

If you want a helpful TR, get an A320 or B737 rating. Don't pay for a CRJ rating.

twentyfivehundred220 24th October 2023 14:03


Originally Posted by batushka (Post 11516129)
I don't know if the people you attack with your different accounts had an assessment. I can speak for my case. When I was assessed I had more than 2000 hours on an proper CS 25 airliner with FMS and EFIS . That time market was still bad so I booked a sim session for a DA42 sim in Germany before the assessment. It didn't help at all. The assessment was full of tricks. Non standard ones. For the record I had a successful assessment few years ago and another one few months ago.
Describe please your assessment to see if we had the same one. Don't spare the details, it will make the difference. Because I believe that you, and people like you, had a special treatment. That special treatment was the reason to invite you at the first place despite you didn't meet the entry requirements. With your other accounts you admit that Let410, Beechcraft 1900, Js31, piston trainers, pilots were hired. These aircrafts are not CS25, FMS as per the requirements. Another user, wrote that he was fired just before the TR to be replaced with someone of your kind.
A failed assessments is not a big deal. I feel lucky that I was failed and got a better job later. What is annoying is to invite people that will be failed in favor of others who managed to be invited without meeting the requirements and would be hired no matter what. More annoying is to have here a person of that breed making lectures. With multiple accounts, something which reflects the fraudy ways you use

But why have you decided that I am using different accounts? A220 is my first type, so I actually had to google Let410, Beechcraft 1900, Js31 to understand your reference.
airBaltic is my first company, coming straight from their Pilot Academy, I'm relatively new to the industry, company and A220, so I just stumbled upon this forum and saw ppl talking nonsense about the company that I like a lot. It's got its flaws, but I mean, MAFIA? I think last year alone they've hired around 150(?) new pilots, and to believe they're all "friends" of someone in the office creating multiple accounts - that's quite a serious conspiracy.
Anyway - no offense to anyone, I hope you're really loving your jobs wherever you work.

batushka 26th October 2023 07:15


Originally Posted by twentyfivehundred220 (Post 11526764)
But why have you decided that I am using different accounts? A220 is my first type, so I actually had to google Let410, Beechcraft 1900, Js31 to understand your reference.
airBaltic is my first company, coming straight from their Pilot Academy, I'm relatively new to the industry, company and A220, so I just stumbled upon this forum and saw ppl talking nonsense about the company that I like a lot. It's got its flaws, but I mean, MAFIA? I think last year alone they've hired around 150(?) new pilots, and to believe they're all "friends" of someone in the office creating multiple accounts - that's quite a serious conspiracy.
Anyway - no offense to anyone, I hope you're really loving your jobs wherever you work.

Firstly, I never referred them as Mafia, people who seem to work in the region, only have bad words to say
You post with a newly created account and you participate in topics like the nepotism one where waylandershade and oksup were posting and you keep the same style of writing
Lets take the assumption that you are not the same person (I really doubt)
Since you got in trouble to google the L410, B1900, Js31 you saw that these aircrafts are not CS25 neither equipped with FMS. According with initial requirements, candidates should have hours on CS25, FMS aircraft. Do you have any explanations why people who didn’t meet the requirements were invited to assessment and got hired? I don’t think any HR department is happy to receive applications from candidates who don’t fulfill entry requirements.
You seem to have done your homework, don’t reply like oksup or waylandershade (both with background in Czech Republic, L410 pilots and newly hired in airbaltic but not the same person as they claimed!!!!) who were saying that they can only speak for themselves and don’t know such cases
And yes I love my job as it pays good and I can commute. Luckily I didn’t pass to the airbaltic with the 3 years, 36000 bond.
Saying of commuting… In this very topic you posted that you can commute if working for ab and you were quickly proven wrong by other posters. Can someone who lives in Netherlands not rent a house in Riga? Can you explain why you lied?

lekker92 26th October 2023 11:33

I don’t know why this poster claims that there is a commuting roster, there isn’t such a thing
It is already snowing in Riga, we will the the grass here on April again

patituri 27th October 2023 16:17


Originally Posted by Intrance;[url=tel:11526415
11526415[/url]]Xfly pay (significantly) less than airBaltic, are in significant financial trouble and the CRJ is a bit of a dying breed in Europe. There are probably more A220s flying around Europe than CRJs. At Vista you would still need a new rating for pretty much everything in their fleet except the old CL850s.

If you want a helpful TR, get an A320 or B737 rating. Don't pay for a CRJ rating.

I don’t know any pilot salary can be less than that. Anyway I don’t know how much Xfly pays but I have a Swedish friend who flies for them and he is happy.
The only use I found in A220 TR is in Quantas. In Europe only AF and Swis are using it. You don’t need a TR, but level 6 in French or
Zurich accent to join.
I agree that the most helpful ratings are the A320 and B737

skyguardian88 30th October 2023 14:10


Originally Posted by twentyfivehundred220 (Post 11503096)
I've been flying at airBaltic for more than a year and I really enjoy a lot of parts of it, so here's a bit of an extended version of my experience:

In the realm of crew planning, BT has a diverse range of destinations, from nearby cities to far-flung gems like Dubai and the Canary Islands. It's like picking from a buffet every month when bidding for flight, but of course - you will not fly all of your favourite flights every day. The rule is to satisfy 60-70% of each pilots wishes, and for me works out pretty well. The more contentious thing our wet lease-out operations in Oslo, Düsseldorf, Zurich, and our very own base stations in Tampere, Tallinn and Vilnius. Many of our pilots choose to commute directly to these stations from their homes across Europe. I was just flying as a safety pilot for a new SFO's first line training flights - a very experienced captain from Finland, he said he will not even consider renting in Riga - he will commute to outstations. So it’s really up to you to pick your lifestyle and roster

Treatment colleagues, general mood:
Regardless of anything, those who are dissatisfied tend to be more vocal, while those who genuinely enjoy their experiences often prefer the tranquility of cruising at FL360, while sipping their coffee :) Which is a good thing, I guess, hence the reason this forum might lean toward negative opinions as a result. However, when it comes to life at our airline, BT, I'd like to emphasize that for me it's, in fact, quite pleasant. Communication here is transparent and flows both vertically and horizontally. The Chief Pilot's office is always open, encouraging an open dialogue. Adhering to standardised procedures, training, and simulator sessions is like a must in the company, so basically all are treated equally, and to be honest, for me this consistency makes it very transparent and comprehensible. In the mean time you ahve to know your stuff, be prepared, study, etc. Then again, any form of rude or aggressive behavior, whether directed towards cabin crew, operations, or colleagues is totally rejected. In my experience, I've seen cases where a few pilots were exceptionally rude or disrespectful, and the airline responded (in my opinion) appropriately. We have a lot of young captains who’ve been at airBaltic for several years, so the mood in the cockpit is the mood you choose to set :)

The CP upgrade is not just a claim, if you apply as an SFO you will have a chance to upgrade soon. Just do the math yourself - BT will have 50 aircraft soon, that means roughly around 250 captains, now we maybe have around 190 (+/- 10), AND they are working summer schedules of 80-90BH already. The other thing is - the Chief pilots have been very open about not wanting “Direct entry” Captains on the A220. So going through the SFO option basically is the fast track.

Apologies for the lengthy essay, but I wanted to provide a more balanced perspective amidst the prevailing negative sentiments, because I really like airBaltic from a lot pf perspective, and I think a lot of colleagues would agree.

Ad good luck with your assessment!

I don’t know what motivates you to write untrue stories. There isn’t any commuting option.
Pilots that joined in 2023 are paying the bond to leave.
At least the ones who had some serious background and are employable. And of course had money from the previous jobs to pay the bond

XMV6 2nd November 2023 21:01

Those figures are token from Airbaltic. Its a very good salary.

https://pilotcareer.org/index.php/wiki/air-baltic/First Officer:

€ 49.200 – 58.800 / year gross
Based on 80h / month and experience First Officers can expect a net salary of € 4.000 – 5.500 / month.
During the inital 300h the pay is € 1.200 net / month.

Captain:

€ 112.800 – 130.800 / year gross
Based on 80h / month and experience Captains can expect a net salary of € 7.000 – 8.000 / month.



lekker92 2nd November 2023 21:43


Originally Posted by XMV6 (Post 11532191)
Those figures are token from Airbaltic. Its a very good salary.

https://pilotcareer.org/index.php/wiki/air-baltic/First Officer:

€ 49.200 – 58.800 / year gross
Based on 80h / month and experience First Officers can expect a net salary of € 4.000 – 5.500 / month.
During the inital 300h the pay is € 1.200 net / month.

Captain:

€ 112.800 – 130.800 / year gross
Based on 80h / month and experience Captains can expect a net salary of € 7.000 – 8.000 / month.

First officer basic salary is 2815 and captains is 4600

XMV6 3rd November 2023 09:29

FO 2815 and Cpt 4600 ? Sorry, but I don't believe....

lekker92 3rd November 2023 10:37


Originally Posted by XMV6 (Post 11532446)
FO 2815 and Cpt 4600 ? Sorry, but I don't believe....

That’s it, believe it or not. There are a lot of D pilots willing to take it. D could be for dumb or desperate. You can also add the hobbyists instagram pilots, could include them in dumb category
As mentioned earlier pilots who were hired in 2023 left the company after paying the bond. That was the desperate D

uberfly 3rd November 2023 15:48

Numbers that XMW6 shared is corresponding to the correct numbers. Gross and net is different. I have only for FOs. This is guaranteed basic pay. You will get net amount to your bank account since it is local contract.

FO1 4100 gross (2815 net)
FO2 4500 gross (3085 net)
FO3 4900 gross (3370 net)

Luray 3rd November 2023 17:48

Expect to pay 1 to 1.5k with utilities for a simple furnished flat and 500 for food. Few years ago utility bills were 400-700 a month during winter. Riga is expensive. Food and medicine can be twice of what you pay in some western EU countries.

uberfly 4th November 2023 11:41

I dont agree on this. I lived there and I am regularly going there since 2008. It is definitely cheaper than any western EU nation such as Germany, Belgium, Netherlands and France. I never come up with anything twice expensive than western EU. Only utilities can be more expensive since it is much colder than many other countries. Rent is definitely one of the difference which is much cheaper than Western EU. Just to give some idea you can always use this site to compare.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...urg&city2=Riga

XMV6 4th November 2023 16:16

ok, and what is income-tax in Latvia from gross salary ?

lekker92 4th November 2023 17:25


Originally Posted by uberfly (Post 11533162)
I dont agree on this. I lived there and I am regularly going there since 2008. It is definitely cheaper than any western EU nation such as Germany, Belgium, Netherlands and France. I never come up with anything twice expensive than western EU. Only utilities can be more expensive since it is much colder than many other countries. Rent is definitely one of the difference which is much cheaper than Western EU. Just to give some idea you can always use this site to compare.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...urg&city2=Riga

Rent prices around city centre is well above 1000 for furnitured apartment. Maybe is a bit cheaper in Jugla or Imanta but who wants to live there? Cigarettes are more expensive in Latvia than in Germany or Switzerland. Grocery prices are higher than in Germany for the most of the products
Maybe you will get some decent prices in central market but you need to speak Russian. Yes, Russian, more than 30% of the population is Russian. Gas is more expensive than in Germany. Almost everywhere in Riga parking is regulated. Especially zones A and B are super expensive. Dinner for two is around 80 euros unless you go to Lido. Local girls never reach for their wallet
Long story short, from the 2815 euros,by the end of the month you will have 100-200 euros left in your account

lekker92 4th November 2023 17:26


Originally Posted by XMV6 (Post 11533280)
ok, and what is income-tax in Latvia from gross salary ?

In your bank account you will see the net, who cares what the gross is

motardos 4th November 2023 18:10


Originally Posted by XMV6 (Post 11532191)
During the inital 300h the pay is € 1.200 net / month.


Originally Posted by Luray (Post 11532749)
Expect to pay 1 to 1.5k with utilities for a simple furnished flat and 500 for food. Few years ago utility bills were 400-700 a month during winter. Riga is expensive. Food and medicine can be twice of what you pay in some western EU countries.

Sounds like for the first six first months you will need to sleep in the car

Luray 4th November 2023 19:57


Originally Posted by lekker92 (Post 11533313)
Rent prices around city centre is well above 1000 for furnitured apartment. Maybe is a bit cheaper in Jugla or Imanta but who wants to live there? Cigarettes are more expensive in Latvia than in Germany or Switzerland. Grocery prices are higher than in Germany for the most of the products
Maybe you will get some decent prices in central market but you need to speak Russian. Yes, Russian, more than 30% of the population is Russian. Gas is more expensive than in Germany. Almost everywhere in Riga parking is regulated. Especially zones A and B are super expensive. Dinner for two is around 80 euros unless you go to Lido. Local girls never reach for their wallet
Long story short, from the 2815 euros,by the end of the month you will have 100-200 euros left in your account

This sounds more realistic. Prices skyrocketed after they replaced Lats with Euro. I remember in 2009 I rented fancy studio flat in the center of old Riga for 150 lats and payed extra 20 for utilities. Beer was around 50 santimes (60 cents) in almost any bar. You could eat at Lido for less than 4 lats including drinks. City was crowded with tourists and it was a lot of fun.
Now if you walk around old Riga it looks like ghost town. No tourists no locals. Just endless lines of abandoned souvenir shops and restaurants. Lots of bums and junkies around central station. You can still find a bunk in a dorm for 300e around Moskovsky district but you'll need a car and secure parking after midnight as this neighborhood is not safe. Bear in mind that AB will not pay parking at Riga airport for FO's. But its ok, if you are an instagram pilot supported by parents you'll make it just fine.

lekker92 4th November 2023 22:16


Originally Posted by Luray (Post 11533378)
This sounds more realistic. Prices skyrocketed after they replaced Lats with Euro. I remember in 2009 I rented fancy studio flat in the center of old Riga for 150 lats and payed extra 20 for utilities. Beer was around 50 santimes (60 cents) in almost any bar. You could eat at Lido for less than 4 lats including drinks. City was crowded with tourists and it was a lot of fun.
Now if you walk around old Riga it looks like ghost town. No tourists no locals. Just endless lines of abandoned souvenir shops and restaurants. Lots of bums and junkies around central station. You can still find a bunk in a dorm for 300e around Moskovsky district but you'll need a car and secure parking after midnight as this neighborhood is not safe. Bear in mind that AB will not pay parking at Riga airport for FO's. But its ok, if you are an instagram pilot supported by parents you'll make it just fine.

I hear stories about how lively this town was. Hard to believe that this ghost town used to be a fun place.Latvia didn’t recover from Covid era. It’s getting worse and worse since then.Inflation still going up, war in Ukraine made even worse and people prefer to stay home with the company of Phenibut ( Soviet xanax).
Bums and junkies are everywhere, especially out of Maxima and Rimi, I always give them my empty bottles , they are super happy to get the 10 cents from every bottle putting in the recycle bin. Locals are leaving Riga for the countryside where is more affordable and many of them go to work in Poland. I don’t think that there are many real jobs here, the people who have the money are the “New Russians”, that’s the wealthy Russians that moved here lately as it was easy to get papers and almost everyone speaks Russian. The rest are just working all day to pay the rent and bills
I dated some girls here, and though we were pretty much the same age, they treated me like I was a sugar daddy. Nothing pleasant left here

Luray 4th November 2023 23:44

Its been fun place till 2014ish. Every Saturday we used to do bar hopping till early dawn and it was very affordable. Then gradually it all declined to a present state.Can't say it was all because of covid since 2018 was already troubled year for local business because of tax reforms. Back then AB was also different, I think they paid around 7k lats for captains and it was a lot of money. But as I remember it was nearly impossible to get in, you had to know someone from inside.

menekse 14th November 2023 12:14


Originally Posted by twentyfivehundred220 (Post 11526764)
But why have you decided that I am using different accounts? A220 is my first type, so I actually had to google Let410, Beechcraft 1900, Js31 to understand your reference.
airBaltic is my first company, coming straight from their Pilot Academy, I'm relatively new to the industry, company and A220, so I just stumbled upon this forum and saw ppl talking nonsense about the company that I like a lot. It's got its flaws, but I mean, MAFIA? I think last year alone they've hired around 150(?) new pilots, and to believe they're all "friends" of someone in the office creating multiple accounts - that's quite a serious conspiracy.
Anyway - no offense to anyone, I hope you're really loving your jobs wherever you work.

How do you know it is nonsense?
Are you telling us that there are no pilots in ab with previous experience only in Let 410, Beechcraft 1900 and Js31 which do not comply with the initial requirements of CS25, FMS, EFIS aircraft?
Cause @OKSUP was posting that Let410 and Beechcraft1900 pilots were hired cause on their CVs were saying that they feed stray cats or something which was enough to be invited regardless that they didn't meet the entry requirements
Or you are just posting lies like the commuting roster?

chris1311 14th November 2023 14:51

Salary
 

Originally Posted by lekker92 (Post 11532218)
First officer basic salary is 2815 and captains is 4600


I attended the assessment and the numbers you state match with what I have been told by the chief pilot during the interview so i would not expect more ;-)

In case anyone is interested about DEFO Assessment:

2 Days in RIX (they offer cheap AB tickets and hotel rates)

day 1

1.)sim screen, da42 fix base, 15 minutes, all in rix, easy wx, no failures, no briefings or checklists, only easy raw data departure, vectored ils, GA, and another vectored ils - BY FAR the easiest i have ever seen

2.) interview: mainly questions about cold wx and adverse wx IN RIX SPECIFICALLY.

3.) Psychometric computer tests, 3 hours, the hardest ones I have seen around all the assessments I have been - by far. Use skytest or pilotassessments and go for the „difficult“ preset


day 2:

1.) interview chief pilot: very relaxed, nothing technical, just discussing about your cv and your plans, hopes and dreams. Chief pilot is a very nice person to talk to

2.) psychological interview : 1 hour chat face to face about strengths weaknesses etc etc - the usual stuff

3.) 300 psychological questions on iPad

All in all a nice atmosphere, considering the baltic mentality. The latter made me choose to not go there though.

TheEdge 14th November 2023 16:24

Riga is the worst !!!!hole of the 3 baltic countries, avoid at all costs.

lekker92 16th November 2023 10:17


Originally Posted by chris1311 (Post 11539063)
I attended the assessment and the numbers you state match with what I have been told by the chief pilot during the interview so i would not expect more ;-)

In case anyone is interested about DEFO Assessment:

2 Days in RIX (they offer cheap AB tickets and hotel rates)

day 1

1.)sim screen, da42 fix base, 15 minutes, all in rix, easy wx, no failures, no briefings or checklists, only easy raw data departure, vectored ils, GA, and another vectored ils - BY FAR the easiest i have ever seen

2.) interview: mainly questions about cold wx and adverse wx IN RIX SPECIFICALLY.

3.) Psychometric computer tests, 3 hours, the hardest ones I have seen around all the assessments I have been - by far. Use skytest or pilotassessments and go for the „difficult“ preset


day 2:

1.) interview chief pilot: very relaxed, nothing technical, just discussing about your cv and your plans, hopes and dreams. Chief pilot is a very nice person to talk to

2.) psychological interview : 1 hour chat face to face about strengths weaknesses etc etc - the usual stuff

3.) 300 psychological questions on iPad

All in all a nice atmosphere, considering the baltic mentality. The latter made me choose to not go there though.

Good you mentioned the assessment, a useful post for those trying to gather info instead of gossiping in forums.
In my perspective, the most tricky part is the 3 years bond that realistically can't pay if you get a better job offer. With that salary you can barely survive in Riga if you are single, with a family it can be challenging. And you will be stuck in this situation for 3 years hopping the market will still offer opportunities when the bond ends


Originally Posted by menekse (Post 11538989)
How do you know it is nonsense?
Are you telling us that there are no pilots in ab with previous experience only in Let 410, Beechcraft 1900 and Js31 which do not comply with the initial requirements of CS25, FMS, EFIS aircraft?
Cause @OKSUP was posting that Let410 and Beechcraft1900 pilots were hired cause on their CVs were saying that they feed stray cats or something which was enough to be invited regardless that they didn't meet the entry requirements
Or you are just posting lies like the commuting roster?

You can add to Beech1900 and Let pilots also some pilots hired as DEFO with experience as FI who were not ab academy graduates. Your cynicism makes you sound like a d#%k but otherwise you are right

chris1311 17th November 2023 09:04

Commuting Roster
 
Regarding some people talking about commuting rosters and other people bashing on them.

I wanted to drop my 2 cents on that

Most Airlines hiring at the moment do not offer a designated COMMUTING contract.

HOWEVER,

Depending where you live, almost all contracts are „commutable“. If you get 4 days off between Rotations for an european Airline and you live in the backcountry of argentina it will most probably not be a commutable contract for you whilst somebody living 6 hours away by car is happily commuting.

Back to Air Baltic and some informations i received during my talk with the chief pilot of AB:

If you get hired as Senior First Officer you may choose between a 5on 4 off 5 on 3 off pattern or a random roster. (5/4/5/3 roster equals 80% part time by the way so there will be less pay)

For me the 5/4/5/3 roster would be perfectly commutable.

If you are NOT SFO, you will be more or less stuck with the random roster due to seniority.

If you stuck to the random roster, then you still have the bidding system so you can bid and get rotations based on your off-day needs. On the flip side: You will most likely be flying the less requested routes - less requested for a reason, presumably….

So if you live in europe, are based on a well connected airport and live close to a well connected airport, i would bet 80% of airlines have a „commutable“ roster….

So maybe not push so hard on people saying that certain airlines have commuting/commutable rosters.


dirk85 17th November 2023 14:01

How in the world is 5/4/5/3 a part time contract? And the standard 100% roster in well established companies.
That is more than enough days on duty to squeeze the maximum hours

motardos 17th November 2023 15:03


Originally Posted by Jabulani (Post 10516849)
Roster, Roster and Roster, think twice if you want your family to move to Riga, if you have other options, take them.

6 on, 2 off, 6 on, 1 off, 7 on

If you like it like this give it a try, and yes, there are big differences between rosters for locals and others

Does this apply only during summer or it is the same during winter? The annual leave is 20 days?

motardos 17th November 2023 15:17


Originally Posted by uberfly (Post 10407527)
Pilot market already at bottom for years. 1140 Euros gross is disrespect to this profession. You can simply earn double of this money being bartender or waitress in most of the West European countries. I am not comparing or complaining but just sad about this conditions.

That's for the first 300 hours, at least according to XMV6. After that it is 2815

motardos 18th November 2023 08:23


Originally Posted by dodo14 (Post 10393164)
I would like to ask for advice and opinions from everyone related..
just to let everyone know, I don’t mind paying to fly (pay for my own flying course), I don’t mind relocating to another country.
im interested to apply for cadet pilot for this airline.
Any chances for non-european like me?
if i were accepted into the academy, how it is the life?
Anymore feedback and opinion related to this, i would highly thanks for it.

They don't require a european passport but only a permit. As far as I checked the easiest way to get it is is to get a student visa, Latvian universities are open to non european students. I want to relocate permanently to EU too, but I still haven't take the final decision

Luray 18th November 2023 19:35


Originally Posted by motardos (Post 11541358)
They don't require a european passport but only a permit. As far as I checked the easiest way to get it is is to get a student visa, Latvian universities are open to non european students. I want to relocate permanently to EU too, but I still haven't take the final decision

I have unrestricted permit to live and work in Latvia. Been selected by AB and passed assessment. After going trough OCC was fired without any explanations two days before sim.
Few days before they kicked me I had a long dialogue with AB security and they pressed me due to my passport that would restrict travel to one of their destinations.

patituri 19th November 2023 10:24


Originally Posted by Luray;[url=tel:11541681
11541681]I have unrestricted permit to live and work in Latvia. Been selected by AB and passed assessment. After going trough OCC was fired without any explanations two days before sim.
Few days before they kicked me I had a long dialogue with AB security and they pressed me due to my passport that would restrict travel to one of their destinations.

I am sorry that they treated you like that. I hope you didn’t resign your previous airline. You can never be sure why kick someone out, they didn’t hire back some pilots that were flying the A220 for AB till 2020 firings. They had to be assessed again and were failed. Surprisingly, that period some Flight Instructors from ab academy were given an A220 TR and were updated to First Officers without any airline experience. A pilot that later had a runway excursion had his TR in late 2020, after experienced pilots were sent home.
There are some pilots with non EU passports currently flying with ab, that’s why I am telling you that you can never be sure why they kick someone out. They actually did that also to rated pilots with EU passports
I don’t think they mind loosing pilots, for those leaving on their will they get serious money from the bonds

motardos 19th November 2023 18:22


Originally Posted by Luray (Post 11541681)
I have unrestricted permit to live and work in Latvia. Been selected by AB and passed assessment. After going trough OCC was fired without any explanations two days before sim.
Few days before they kicked me I had a long dialogue with AB security and they pressed me due to my passport that would restrict travel to one of their destinations.

I am sorry for that.
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