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Originally Posted by TBSC
(Post 11817568)
What if they don't ask for it after LH's lobbyists whisper something in their ear?
Worst case for Lufthansa to lose the 14 millions to invest for 10% btw if 10% is 14 millions then the total value is 140 millions? And in debt for a billion? |
Originally Posted by zen krempie
(Post 11817583)
EU is not third world neither sovietski. Can’t get away with breaking the law or by not paying back a billion
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Originally Posted by TBSC
(Post 11817665)
Of course it isn't. Surely an EU airline can't even get 500 millions of illegal aid due to the strict and fully forced laws. And if (for some miracle) it would happen they must pay back every penny like each and every airline did since the first day of the European Coal and Steel Community. Maybe it would be useful to study the history of a certain LH protege called Polskie Linie Lotnice.
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Originally Posted by zen krempie
(Post 11817692)
I know first hand the history of Malev
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Originally Posted by TBSC
(Post 11817924)
If you would, you'd call it Malév anyway. And if you ever worked there you know how disfunctional and pathetic an "airline" that was. It well deserved it because of the "lopjunk el mindent, ami nincs lebetonozva" mentality of it's employees, management and the state. It was the best example of "soviestki" existing within the EU which you claim to be impossible.
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Originally Posted by TBSC
(Post 11817665)
Of course it isn't. Surely an EU airline can't even get 500 millions of illegal aid due to the strict and fully forced laws. And if (for some miracle) it would happen they must pay back every penny like each and every airline did since the first day of the European Coal and Steel Community. Maybe it would be useful to study the history of a certain LH protege called Polskie Linie Lotnice.
So there is a realistic scenario where Latvia is allowed to (partly) forgive debts, the IPO money is used to partly pay back some high interest bonds and AirBaltic ends up with a sustainable level of debt. IMHO much depends on the political Situation in Latvia and the geopolitical developments in the next months. |
Originally Posted by TyroleanCondor
(Post 11818086)
There are certain conditions under which the EU Commission is allowed to grant state aid.
So there is a realistic scenario where Latvia is allowed to (partly) forgive debts, the IPO money is used to partly pay back some high interest bonds and AirBaltic ends up with a sustainable level of debt. IMHO much depends on the political Situation in Latvia and the geopolitical developments in the next months. They managed to get only 14 millions from LH Few months ago they were advertising sales on tickets and later canceled these flights because they will send 5 aircrafts for ACMI in Uruguay making Latvians fuming more. I think is the least loved company in Latvia |
Originally Posted by patituri
(Post 11818148)
Latvians are fuming for their money that funded AB, I don't think any politician will vote to partly forgive the 540 millions to state, (and another 500+ millions to others) even if EU agreed (really doubt)
They managed to get only 14 millions from LH Few months ago they were advertising sales on tickets and later canceled these flights because they will send 5 aircrafts for ACMI in Uruguay making Latvians fuming more. I think is the least loved company in Latvia Even without leasing planes to Uruguay, they would still have had to cancel those summer flights. My 2 cents is the company will survive for the next 2 years at least, with or without Latvian tax payer money. With LH investing, regardless of the amount, it is sending a positive signal for the IPO, in which BTI will manage to finance itself back to healthier levels. If the IPO doesn’t go through, they might still survive for a few more months/years by issuing another private bond(s), again thanks to the image of LH group investing. And go on for a few years like that, issuing bonds to repay the previous ones. It’s not healthy but it’s survivable for some time. |
Originally Posted by zen krempie
(Post 11817037)
Article says airbaltic will take 14 millions from LH, but airbaltic's debt is over a billion with 14,5% interest
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bec26bdaa.jpeg |
The interest is fixed, what's rising is the bond price.
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Originally Posted by ctacik
(Post 11837887)
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Originally Posted by TBSC
(Post 11817665)
Of course it isn't. Surely an EU airline can't even get 500 millions of illegal aid due to the strict and fully forced laws. And if (for some miracle) it would happen they must pay back every penny like each and every airline did since the first day of the European Coal and Steel Community. Maybe it would be useful to study the history of a certain LH protege called Polskie Linie Lotnice.
https://bnn-news.com/airbaltic-group...st-year-265908 |
Originally Posted by zen krempie
(Post 11846408)
They added another 118 millions of losses in 2024
https://bnn-news.com/airbaltic-group...st-year-265908 |
Martin Gauss, long-time CEO and chairman of Latvian airline airBaltic, has been dismissed, reports the Ministry of Transport on 7 April.
Following a shareholders' meeting at which the Transport Ministry called for a vote of no confidence in Gauss, airBaltic's Supervisory Board convened an extraordinary Supervisory Board meeting. In view of the shareholders' vote of no confidence, the Supervisory Board decided to dismiss the current Chairman of the Board, Martin Gauss, as of 7 April. |
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Originally Posted by Electric
(Post 11862226)
Martin Gauss, long-time CEO and chairman of Latvian airline airBaltic, has been dismissed, reports the Ministry of Transport on 7 April.
Following a shareholders' meeting at which the Transport Ministry called for a vote of no confidence in Gauss, airBaltic's Supervisory Board convened an extraordinary Supervisory Board meeting. In view of the shareholders' vote of no confidence, the Supervisory Board decided to dismiss the current Chairman of the Board, Martin Gauss, as of 7 April. The same CEO was in Malev before the bankruptcy |
Clearly this company is not solvent by any reasonable accounting standard.
I understand there is a bigger political picture but surely something has to give. Firing the CEO is not good enough 🙄 |
Originally Posted by Intrance
(Post 11695913)
No, not offended at all. I flew the JS31/32 for a solid and quite fun 4 years (though never for AIS). But I have been flying jets for many years since, without any particular interest in airBaltic. It is just a bit weird that a handful of posters here got upset, and have since been salty, that a company gives applicants MORE opportunity instead of less.
I would say it does not really negatively affect anyone already employed in AB if you get some guys with actual commercial flying experience instead of cadets only? Anyway, carry on. AB Cadets only? Had a chat with a Captain who fell behind, he has hard time with pilots who got hired just having a CPL outside of Airbaltic Academy, like a French lady with 0 hours on turbo prop airplanes, just her CPL from France, while they are advertising only senior first officers positions |
Originally Posted by ctacik
(Post 11883473)
Back in Riga just for holidays this time
AB Cadets only? Had a chat with a Captain who fell behind, he has hard time with pilots who got hired just having a CPL outside of Airbaltic Academy, like a French lady with 0 hours on turbo prop airplanes, just her CPL from France, while they are advertising only senior first officers positions |
Originally Posted by Dissident1
(Post 11890005)
I don’t get it, they’re advertising for DEC and experienced FOs for a fast track, but at the same time they will most likely go into reconstruction or bankruptcy… Is it that hard to fill the positions on the A220? If they go under it’s a pretty useless type rating to hold. Anyone who has applied recently and can shed some light?
I heard from a friend that the T&C's aren't getting any better, and management is pressuring the crews to tighten their belts. |
Originally Posted by ctacik
(Post 11883473)
Back in Riga just for holidays this time
AB Cadets only? Had a chat with a Captain who fell behind, he has hard time with pilots who got hired just having a CPL outside of Airbaltic Academy, like a French lady with 0 hours on turbo prop airplanes, just her CPL from France, while they are advertising only senior first officers positions
Originally Posted by Dissident1
(Post 11890005)
I don’t get it, they’re advertising for DEC and experienced FOs for a fast track, but at the same time they will most likely go into reconstruction or bankruptcy… Is it that hard to fill the positions on the A220? If they go under it’s a pretty useless type rating to hold. Anyone who has applied recently and can shed some light?
AirBaltic stalls IPO until at least the first half of 2025https://www.reuters.com/markets/airb...st-2024-12-02/ |
Originally Posted by ctacik
(Post 11883473)
Back in Riga just for holidays this time
AB Cadets only? Had a chat with a Captain who fell behind, he has hard time with pilots who got hired just having a CPL outside of Airbaltic Academy, like a French lady with 0 hours on turbo prop airplanes, just her CPL from France, while they are advertising only senior first officers positions |
Originally Posted by Electric
(Post 11862226)
Martin Gauss, long-time CEO and chairman of Latvian airline airBaltic, has been dismissed, reports the Ministry of Transport on 7 April.
Following a shareholders' meeting at which the Transport Ministry called for a vote of no confidence in Gauss, airBaltic's Supervisory Board convened an extraordinary Supervisory Board meeting. In view of the shareholders' vote of no confidence, the Supervisory Board decided to dismiss the current Chairman of the Board, Martin Gauss, as of 7 April. https://careers.ch-aviation.com/news...atvian-auditor https://www.ch-aviation.com/news/153...-slips-to-2026 |
Originally Posted by TBSC
(Post 11817372)
The actual amount is not important. The 10% stake means that they won't let it go bust whatever happens.
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Originally Posted by motardos
(Post 11911957)
Airbaltic is still 97.97 Latvian state and the 2.03 belongs to Aircraft Leasing Sia
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/l...e-in-airbaltic |
Originally Posted by TBSC
(Post 11914211)
Not for long apparently.
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/l...e-in-airbaltic What I understand is that LH gave to AB 14 millions for the wet leasing deal, that was branded as convertible shares but still AB is 97,5% Latvian State and 2,5% Aircraft Leasing Sia Still they ask 250 millions from the Latvian state When asked how much money is needed from the state, which has a 97% stake in the company, Martinovs said that it depends on the shareholder Senior airBaltic official: company needs around 250 million euroshttps://eng.lsm.lv/article/economy/t...euros.a603554/ |
Originally Posted by ctacik
(Post 11883473)
Back in Riga just for holidays this time
AB Cadets only? Had a chat with a Captain who fell behind, he has hard time with pilots who got hired just having a CPL outside of Airbaltic Academy, like a French lady with 0 hours on turbo prop airplanes, just her CPL from France, while they are advertising only senior first officers positions Same with some zero hours people who initially got hired as FI in the academy and very soon went to A220 A lot of back doors |
A new commuter option has now been added as a contract option:
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Originally Posted by patituri
(Post 11928682)
The French lady in question was hired initially as an office employee. She had her CPL from France and also had a well connected French friend who is a Captain and in few months from office jumped to cockpit
Same with some zero hours people who initially got hired as FI in the academy and very soon went to A220 A lot of back doors |
Assessment in Riga
Do they seriously use a single pilot operation as a check in Riga? Not too focused on CRM I guess…
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Originally Posted by Dissident1
(Post 11960911)
Do they seriously use a single pilot operation as a check in Riga? Not too focused on CRM I guess…
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Originally Posted by ave
(Post 11759348)
They are looking for ICAO pilots too. Airlines from this part of Europe are also known as the cancer of aviation for a reason
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....67d4674751.png
Originally Posted by freeagle211
(Post 11761957)
I apologize, but your discussion focuses only on money foreigners, non-EU. What about the FAA? Do you believe you fly aircraft while Brazilians and those from Botswana fly the piano? At the very least, try not to blame any nationality. It's important to be open-minded—it's as simple as that for me.
Fly Safe. Here is the case of 2008 Mexico city Learjet crash Pilot Martín Olíva and co-pilot Álvaro Sánchez were not certified to operate the Learjet 45. The investigation concluded that both pilots had received fraudulent certifications: Captain Olíva lied about the number of training flights he had made, and had issues on the few training flights he did complete, while Captain Sánchez lied about being a Learjet 45 instructor. Both men had taken advantage of a corrupt system to get false training documents and some unsigned Learjet 45 certification forms from their flight schools. These revelations led Mexican authorities to suspend the licences of both flight schools. I don't think it worth to bring to Europe pilots like the guys above just for some companies to keep the salaries low |
Regular Open days for experienced pilots are organised now, a lot of questions are discussed during these https://careers.airbaltic.com/en/eve...rienced-pilots
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1.5h video here:
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Wow. They seems to have very ambitious growth plans.
How is this to be financed ?! |
Originally Posted by magyar_flyer
(Post 11974638)
Wow. They seems to have very ambitious growth plans.
How is this to be financed ?! Maybe they will fund with the new ACMI deal they offer to Air Serbia or the ACMI to Uruguay that starts this winter |
Originally Posted by magyar_flyer
(Post 11974638)
Wow. They seems to have very ambitious growth plans.
How is this to be financed ?! https://www.ch-aviation.com/news/159...from-airbaltic |
Yes, I'm sure those Russians will easily collect that debt :ok:.
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Originally Posted by Intrance
(Post 11979879)
Yes, I'm sure those Russians will easily collect that debt :ok:.
Four Airbaltic A220s will be based in Belgrade, a Serbian court order is enough to confiscate them for depts Don't forget that are no sanctions between Serbia and Russia, you can fly direct from Belgrade to Moscow with an Air Serbia flight |
Originally Posted by ctacik
(Post 11980094)
They can collect it easily after the ACMI deal with Air Serbia.
Four Airbaltic A220s will be based in Belgrade, a Serbian court order is enough to confiscate them for depts Don't forget that are no sanctions between Serbia and Russia, you can fly direct from Belgrade to Moscow with an Air Serbia flight |
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