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zen krempie 30th January 2025 18:39


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11817568)
What if they don't ask for it after LH's lobbyists whisper something in their ear?

EU is not third world neither sovietski. Can’t get away with breaking the law or by not paying back a billion
Worst case for Lufthansa to lose the 14 millions to invest for 10%
btw if 10% is 14 millions then the total value is 140 millions? And in debt for a billion?

TBSC 30th January 2025 20:27


Originally Posted by zen krempie (Post 11817583)
EU is not third world neither sovietski. Can’t get away with breaking the law or by not paying back a billion

Of course it isn't. Surely an EU airline can't even get 500 millions of illegal aid due to the strict and fully forced laws. And if (for some miracle) it would happen they must pay back every penny like each and every airline did since the first day of the European Coal and Steel Community. Maybe it would be useful to study the history of a certain LH protege called Polskie Linie Lotnice.

zen krempie 30th January 2025 21:08


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11817665)
Of course it isn't. Surely an EU airline can't even get 500 millions of illegal aid due to the strict and fully forced laws. And if (for some miracle) it would happen they must pay back every penny like each and every airline did since the first day of the European Coal and Steel Community. Maybe it would be useful to study the history of a certain LH protege called Polskie Linie Lotnice.

I know first hand the history of Malev, who managed to take state money and went bust when European Commission ordered the return of that money. LH can't interfere with EU laws. For what, not to lose a 14 millions investment?

TBSC 31st January 2025 04:12


Originally Posted by zen krempie (Post 11817692)
I know first hand the history of Malev

If you would, you'd call it Malév anyway. And if you ever worked there you know how disfunctional and pathetic an "airline" that was. It well deserved it because of the "lopjunk el mindent, ami nincs lebetonozva" mentality of it's employees, management and the state. It was the best example of "soviestki" existing within the EU which you claim to be impossible.

ctacik 31st January 2025 08:48


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11817924)
If you would, you'd call it Malév anyway. And if you ever worked there you know how disfunctional and pathetic an "airline" that was. It well deserved it because of the "lopjunk el mindent, ami nincs lebetonozva" mentality of it's employees, management and the state. It was the best example of "soviestki" existing within the EU which you claim to be impossible.

Why do you think an airline which hires ICAO pilots, has better working conditions or mentality?

TyroleanCondor 31st January 2025 09:30


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11817665)
Of course it isn't. Surely an EU airline can't even get 500 millions of illegal aid due to the strict and fully forced laws. And if (for some miracle) it would happen they must pay back every penny like each and every airline did since the first day of the European Coal and Steel Community. Maybe it would be useful to study the history of a certain LH protege called Polskie Linie Lotnice.

There are certain conditions under which the EU Commission is allowed to grant state aid.

So there is a realistic scenario where Latvia is allowed to (partly) forgive debts, the IPO money is used to partly pay back some high interest bonds and AirBaltic ends up with a sustainable level of debt.

IMHO much depends on the political Situation in Latvia and the geopolitical developments in the next months.

patituri 31st January 2025 11:02


Originally Posted by TyroleanCondor (Post 11818086)
There are certain conditions under which the EU Commission is allowed to grant state aid.

So there is a realistic scenario where Latvia is allowed to (partly) forgive debts, the IPO money is used to partly pay back some high interest bonds and AirBaltic ends up with a sustainable level of debt.

IMHO much depends on the political Situation in Latvia and the geopolitical developments in the next months.

Latvians are fuming for their money that funded AB, I don't think any politician will vote to partly forgive the 540 millions to state, (and another 500+ millions to others) even if EU agreed (really doubt)
They managed to get only 14 millions from LH
Few months ago they were advertising sales on tickets and later canceled these flights because they will send 5 aircrafts for ACMI in Uruguay making Latvians fuming more. I think is the least loved company in Latvia

Inverted.Panda 15th February 2025 09:01


Originally Posted by patituri (Post 11818148)
Latvians are fuming for their money that funded AB, I don't think any politician will vote to partly forgive the 540 millions to state, (and another 500+ millions to others) even if EU agreed (really doubt)
They managed to get only 14 millions from LH
Few months ago they were advertising sales on tickets and later canceled these flights because they will send 5 aircrafts for ACMI in Uruguay making Latvians fuming more. I think is the least loved company in Latvia

I don’t think the summer flights cancellations are linked to the Uruguayan ACMI, since it will start in winter only.
Even without leasing planes to Uruguay, they would still have had to cancel those summer flights.

My 2 cents is the company will survive for the next 2 years at least, with or without Latvian tax payer money. With LH investing, regardless of the amount, it is sending a positive signal for the IPO, in which BTI will manage to finance itself back to healthier levels.
If the IPO doesn’t go through, they might still survive for a few more months/years by issuing another private bond(s), again thanks to the image of LH group investing. And go on for a few years like that, issuing bonds to repay the previous ones. It’s not healthy but it’s survivable for some time.

ctacik 28th February 2025 15:40


Originally Posted by zen krempie (Post 11817037)
Article says airbaltic will take 14 millions from LH, but airbaltic's debt is over a billion with 14,5% interest

Interest of bonds is still rising

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bec26bdaa.jpeg

bulldog89 28th February 2025 17:14

The interest is fixed, what's rising is the bond price.

dirk85 1st March 2025 20:57


Originally Posted by ctacik (Post 11837887)

When the price of the bond goes up, like in the graph you show, the overall yield of the bond goes down, meaning less risk and less interests should the issuer require more financing

zen krempie 12th March 2025 18:18


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11817665)
Of course it isn't. Surely an EU airline can't even get 500 millions of illegal aid due to the strict and fully forced laws. And if (for some miracle) it would happen they must pay back every penny like each and every airline did since the first day of the European Coal and Steel Community. Maybe it would be useful to study the history of a certain LH protege called Polskie Linie Lotnice.

They added another 118 millions of losses in 2024

https://bnn-news.com/airbaltic-group...st-year-265908

batushka 17th March 2025 15:08


Originally Posted by zen krempie (Post 11846408)
They added another 118 millions of losses in 2024

https://bnn-news.com/airbaltic-group...st-year-265908

That's unsustainable

Electric 7th April 2025 15:52

Martin Gauss, long-time CEO and chairman of Latvian airline airBaltic, has been dismissed, reports the Ministry of Transport on 7 April.

Following a shareholders' meeting at which the Transport Ministry called for a vote of no confidence in Gauss, airBaltic's Supervisory Board convened an extraordinary Supervisory Board meeting. In view of the shareholders' vote of no confidence, the Supervisory Board decided to dismiss the current Chairman of the Board, Martin Gauss, as of 7 April.

TheEdge 7th April 2025 20:20

https://eng.lsm.lv/article/economy/t...issed.a594551/

CEO is out....been fired.

zen krempie 8th April 2025 07:49


Originally Posted by Electric (Post 11862226)
Martin Gauss, long-time CEO and chairman of Latvian airline airBaltic, has been dismissed, reports the Ministry of Transport on 7 April.

Following a shareholders' meeting at which the Transport Ministry called for a vote of no confidence in Gauss, airBaltic's Supervisory Board convened an extraordinary Supervisory Board meeting. In view of the shareholders' vote of no confidence, the Supervisory Board decided to dismiss the current Chairman of the Board, Martin Gauss, as of 7 April.

Too late, they have accumulated more than a billion on debt, last year added another 118 millions
The same CEO was in Malev before the bankruptcy

magyar_flyer 9th April 2025 08:09

Clearly this company is not solvent by any reasonable accounting standard.

I understand there is a bigger political picture but surely something has to give. Firing the CEO is not good enough 🙄

ctacik 13th May 2025 19:26


Originally Posted by Intrance (Post 11695913)
No, not offended at all. I flew the JS31/32 for a solid and quite fun 4 years (though never for AIS). But I have been flying jets for many years since, without any particular interest in airBaltic. It is just a bit weird that a handful of posters here got upset, and have since been salty, that a company gives applicants MORE opportunity instead of less.

I would say it does not really negatively affect anyone already employed in AB if you get some guys with actual commercial flying experience instead of cadets only? Anyway, carry on.

Back in Riga just for holidays this time
AB Cadets only?
Had a chat with a Captain who fell behind, he has hard time with pilots who got hired just having a CPL outside of Airbaltic Academy, like a French lady with 0 hours on turbo prop airplanes, just her CPL from France, while they are advertising only senior first officers positions

Dissident1 25th May 2025 13:38


Originally Posted by ctacik (Post 11883473)
Back in Riga just for holidays this time
AB Cadets only?
Had a chat with a Captain who fell behind, he has hard time with pilots who got hired just having a CPL outside of Airbaltic Academy, like a French lady with 0 hours on turbo prop airplanes, just her CPL from France, while they are advertising only senior first officers positions

I don’t get it, they’re advertising for DEC and experienced FOs for a fast track, but at the same time they will most likely go into reconstruction or bankruptcy… Is it that hard to fill the positions on the A220? If they go under it’s a pretty useless type rating to hold. Anyone who has applied recently and can shed some light?

Luray 26th May 2025 00:08


Originally Posted by Dissident1 (Post 11890005)
I don’t get it, they’re advertising for DEC and experienced FOs for a fast track, but at the same time they will most likely go into reconstruction or bankruptcy… Is it that hard to fill the positions on the A220? If they go under it’s a pretty useless type rating to hold. Anyone who has applied recently and can shed some light?

I've noticed that, over time, airlines on the brink of bankruptcy tend to go on hiring sprees, launch new routes, expand their fleets, and create the impression that they're thriving.
I heard from a friend that the T&C's aren't getting any better, and management is pressuring the crews to tighten their belts.

zen krempie 30th May 2025 20:35


Originally Posted by ctacik (Post 11883473)
Back in Riga just for holidays this time
AB Cadets only?
Had a chat with a Captain who fell behind, he has hard time with pilots who got hired just having a CPL outside of Airbaltic Academy, like a French lady with 0 hours on turbo prop airplanes, just her CPL from France, while they are advertising only senior first officers positions


Originally Posted by Dissident1 (Post 11890005)
I don’t get it, they’re advertising for DEC and experienced FOs for a fast track, but at the same time they will most likely go into reconstruction or bankruptcy… Is it that hard to fill the positions on the A220? If they go under it’s a pretty useless type rating to hold. Anyone who has applied recently and can shed some light?

Nothing new, soviet textbook of hiring nieces and ''nieces'', even in the brink of the financial collapse


AirBaltic stalls IPO until at least the first half of 2025


https://www.reuters.com/markets/airb...st-2024-12-02/

juxa 17th June 2025 19:51


Originally Posted by ctacik (Post 11883473)
Back in Riga just for holidays this time
AB Cadets only?
Had a chat with a Captain who fell behind, he has hard time with pilots who got hired just having a CPL outside of Airbaltic Academy, like a French lady with 0 hours on turbo prop airplanes, just her CPL from France, while they are advertising only senior first officers positions

What a circus

batushka 26th June 2025 11:48


Originally Posted by Electric (Post 11862226)
Martin Gauss, long-time CEO and chairman of Latvian airline airBaltic, has been dismissed, reports the Ministry of Transport on 7 April.

Following a shareholders' meeting at which the Transport Ministry called for a vote of no confidence in Gauss, airBaltic's Supervisory Board convened an extraordinary Supervisory Board meeting. In view of the shareholders' vote of no confidence, the Supervisory Board decided to dismiss the current Chairman of the Board, Martin Gauss, as of 7 April.

Latvian state is looking where is their money and airbaltic asks for more

https://careers.ch-aviation.com/news...atvian-auditor

https://www.ch-aviation.com/news/153...-slips-to-2026




motardos 27th June 2025 13:13


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11817372)
The actual amount is not important. The 10% stake means that they won't let it go bust whatever happens.

Airbaltic is still 97.97 Latvian state and the 2.03 belongs to Aircraft Leasing Sia

TBSC 1st July 2025 11:38


Originally Posted by motardos (Post 11911957)
Airbaltic is still 97.97 Latvian state and the 2.03 belongs to Aircraft Leasing Sia

Not for long apparently.
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/l...e-in-airbaltic

motardos 2nd July 2025 22:51


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11914211)

Wording is not that clear, what convertible means?
What I understand is that LH gave to AB 14 millions for the wet leasing deal, that was branded as convertible shares but still AB is 97,5% Latvian State and 2,5% Aircraft Leasing Sia
Still they ask 250 millions from the Latvian state

When asked how much money is needed from the state, which has a 97% stake in the company, Martinovs said that it depends on the shareholder

Senior airBaltic official: company needs around 250 million euros



https://eng.lsm.lv/article/economy/t...euros.a603554/

patituri 26th July 2025 11:04


Originally Posted by ctacik (Post 11883473)
Back in Riga just for holidays this time
AB Cadets only?
Had a chat with a Captain who fell behind, he has hard time with pilots who got hired just having a CPL outside of Airbaltic Academy, like a French lady with 0 hours on turbo prop airplanes, just her CPL from France, while they are advertising only senior first officers positions

The French lady in question was hired initially as an office employee. She had her CPL from France and also had a well connected French friend who is a Captain and in few months from office jumped to cockpit
Same with some zero hours people who initially got hired as FI in the academy and very soon went to A220
A lot of back doors

twentyfivehundred220 24th September 2025 07:05

A new commuter option has now been added as a contract option:

juxa 24th September 2025 18:31


Originally Posted by patituri (Post 11928682)
The French lady in question was hired initially as an office employee. She had her CPL from France and also had a well connected French friend who is a Captain and in few months from office jumped to cockpit
Same with some zero hours people who initially got hired as FI in the academy and very soon went to A220
A lot of back doors

Who is her daddy?

Dissident1 28th September 2025 07:54

Assessment in Riga
 
Do they seriously use a single pilot operation as a check in Riga? Not too focused on CRM I guess…

zen krempie 29th September 2025 06:12


Originally Posted by Dissident1 (Post 11960911)
Do they seriously use a single pilot operation as a check in Riga? Not too focused on CRM I guess…

If you read some pages back you will see that they are only focused on favors, many posts regarding hiring people who don't even have the published initial requirements. Sim check is just a formality

batushka 17th October 2025 16:13


Originally Posted by ave (Post 11759348)
They are looking for ICAO pilots too. Airlines from this part of Europe are also known as the cancer of aviation for a reason

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....67d4674751.png


Originally Posted by freeagle211 (Post 11761957)
I apologize, but your discussion focuses only on money foreigners, non-EU. What about the FAA? Do you believe you fly aircraft while Brazilians and those from Botswana fly the piano? At the very least, try not to blame any nationality. It's important to be open-minded—it's as simple as that for me.
Fly Safe.

@freeagle in Latin America you can have a Type Rating without any training on type and fly till you crash
Here is the case of 2008 Mexico city Learjet crash

Pilot Martín Olíva and co-pilot Álvaro Sánchez were not certified to operate the Learjet 45. The investigation concluded that both pilots had received fraudulent certifications: Captain Olíva lied about the number of training flights he had made, and had issues on the few training flights he did complete, while Captain Sánchez lied about being a Learjet 45 instructor. Both men had taken advantage of a corrupt system to get false training documents and some unsigned Learjet 45 certification forms from their flight schools. These revelations led Mexican authorities to suspend the licences of both flight schools.

I don't think it worth to bring to Europe pilots like the guys above just for some companies to keep the salaries low

twentyfivehundred220 22nd October 2025 10:08

Regular Open days for experienced pilots are organised now, a lot of questions are discussed during these https://careers.airbaltic.com/en/eve...rienced-pilots

atakacs 22nd October 2025 17:35

1.5h video here:

magyar_flyer 22nd October 2025 21:43

Wow. They seems to have very ambitious growth plans.
How is this to be financed ?!

zen krempie 22nd October 2025 22:42


Originally Posted by magyar_flyer (Post 11974638)
Wow. They seems to have very ambitious growth plans.
How is this to be financed ?!

Airbaltic lost 118 millions last year, for 2025 have losses so far and they are one billion in debt
Maybe they will fund with the new ACMI deal they offer to Air Serbia or the ACMI to Uruguay that starts this winter

ctacik 30th October 2025 12:46


Originally Posted by magyar_flyer (Post 11974638)
Wow. They seems to have very ambitious growth plans.
How is this to be financed ?!

First, they have to pay bankruptcy trustees, the one in the article seeks $236mn

https://www.ch-aviation.com/news/159...from-airbaltic

Intrance 30th October 2025 21:44

Yes, I'm sure those Russians will easily collect that debt :ok:.

ctacik 31st October 2025 10:36


Originally Posted by Intrance (Post 11979879)
Yes, I'm sure those Russians will easily collect that debt :ok:.

They can collect it easily after the ACMI deal with Air Serbia.
Four Airbaltic A220s will be based in Belgrade, a Serbian court order is enough to confiscate them for depts
Don't forget that are no sanctions between Serbia and Russia, you can fly direct from Belgrade to Moscow with an Air Serbia flight

Python27 31st October 2025 12:54


Originally Posted by ctacik (Post 11980094)
They can collect it easily after the ACMI deal with Air Serbia.
Four Airbaltic A220s will be based in Belgrade, a Serbian court order is enough to confiscate them for depts
Don't forget that are no sanctions between Serbia and Russia, you can fly direct from Belgrade to Moscow with an Air Serbia flight

I highly doubt that the owner of the hull/engines or the insurer would allow such insanity .


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