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RAT 5 3rd February 2017 10:13

EU/EASA must make some changes. Only then we can hope for course reversal in TCs.

Why would the trough slurping EU bureaucrats do such a thing? The airlines would claim the price of tickets would have to rise and the peasants of the EU would revolt having to pay increased fair-trade prices for their tickets. Let slavery, in many industries, continue so that the peasants can eat cake instead of bread and vote for their grinning faced apparently benevolent MP's. :hmm:

Avenger 3rd February 2017 13:08

How Europe's three biggest budget airlines plan to take over the world

Iver 4th February 2017 02:39


Originally Posted by 172_driver (Post 9660870)
The press release mentions bases in London this year and Spain next.

Which London airport for an operational base?

INKJET 4th February 2017 08:58

Oh dear Bondi you don't give up do you!!

Remember pilots who fly for NAI don't work for NAI they are employed by OSM, must be hard for you, you know, always being on the wrong side of history, it is social taxes in Scandinavia that kill pilot jobs based there, Finnair will likely follow, the Finish Government will need to increase the tax take if it intends to fully roll out its trail of giving everyone a basic living wage for sitting at home on their computers all day, perhaps you should apply, after all you may have made some contributions to the Finish tax system before you were turfed out of Vannta

Direct Bondi 4th February 2017 10:31

Remember also;

Via his novel and complex staffing agency labor model, Kjos does not offer airline employment, he offers airline “unemployment”.

Dreams of a career in aviation are turned into nightmares of service industry insecurity.

SAS employs their pilots directly, all have labor rights and labor principles directly with SAS.

While on the subject of tax, I hear Norwegian’s pilots may soon be paying tax on their freebie jumpseat tickets out of LGW.

JaxofMarlow 4th February 2017 11:32

[it is social taxes in Scandinavia that kill pilot jobs based there][/QUOTE]

Not sure I understand this. Why more so pilots than doctors nurses or office workers ?

captplaystation 4th February 2017 20:55

In the same way as I detected a lack of French/UK origin below deck workers on cross-channel ferries over the last 3 decades, airline pax are not all blind. . . lack of PA's in the local lingo etc. . . pay for SAS , get flyygawdknowswhat airlines. Sad that aviation is going that way . . . anyone with some authority to stop it is either not interested, or is in someone else's pocket, for sure it is not merely ignorance of the situation.

172_driver 4th February 2017 21:09


Which London airport for an operational base?
No idea, they've got slots at LHR but if they can be used for something useful I don't know

WindSheer 4th February 2017 21:41

It's called culture change......,.

172_driver 4th February 2017 22:01

Some, like the consumers, think it's for the better. Pilots, who you see on here mostly, are the once adversely affected by said change.

Direct Bondi 6th February 2017 07:42

There are reasons Scandinavia airline CEO’s seek to cut labor costs.

http://e24.no/boers-og-finans/sas/sa...ioner/23913896

“SAS boss got pay rise of two million”

Norwegian’s CEO avoids answering questions on his net worth and states; “A lot of pilots earn more than me” (time 4.39).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdWfEozTOQg&t=331s

The race to the bottom continues. Fat cats and fat rats get fatter.

mask14 8th March 2017 00:14

Where they going to get their type rated pilots from?

Direct Bondi 17th March 2017 18:29

SAS confirms its entry in the race to the bottom by adopting the ‘airline unemployment’ model;

“SAS Ireland boss Michael Wångdahl holding discussions with a number of staffing companies” – Dagbladet 17/3 - Link:

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/fort...ettes/67403113

Union members should demand their representatives act on current legislation which states;

“The entity controlling the working life and supplying the equipment to perform the job shall be deemed the employer” - as accepted by the law courts of Europe and detailed in this International Labor Office guide:

http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/pub...cms_209280.pdf

Alternatively, continue to pay union dues and fill union coffers for representation to staffing agencies, rather than direct representation to the airline with associated labor rights and labor principles.

breakdip 18th March 2017 15:04


Originally Posted by mask14 (Post 9699126)
Where they going to get their type rated pilots from?

SAS will wet lease the 320NEO's to SAS Ireland. Ireland based staff is ground staff only.

Source: SAS outlines new Irish unit plans due in mid-4Q17 - ch-aviation.com

HippoDK 18th March 2017 15:23

breakdip i think you have it the wrong way around...

SAS will wetlease from SAS Ireland

breakdip 19th March 2017 08:43


Originally Posted by HippoDK (Post 9710772)
SAS will wetlease from SAS Ireland

Herregud, you are completely right...


SAS Irish subsidiary to begin flights in November
SAS will own the Irish airline, which will be a separate entity to its parent but will carry its brand. It will fly the Spanish and British routes on a “wet lease” basis, that is, providing the aircraft and crew.

About 40 staff will be based here initially. The airline will begin hiring pilots and crew later in the year.
Do not know which words to choose: Scandalous or Smart?

Alpha Golf Mike 10th May 2017 19:24

Anobod knows what's going on now? Been very quiet in a long while.

172_driver 10th May 2017 20:51

Internally too, but I believe the aim is to have the London base up and running by the end of the year. Union negotiations are currently ongoing.

matt283 22nd May 2017 12:40

Which base in Spain is considered? Is it Malaga?

flyhigh788 14th June 2017 14:07

Anyone knows sth about the conditions?


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