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spagiola 24th October 2018 15:47


Originally Posted by liftman (Post 10290595)
Impossible, crj not certified for London city they have a lot of operations on it they absolutely need an aircraft capable to land there

They've cancelled all their LCY routes, so that's no longer a requirement. Going forward, it seems they intend to only fly on behalf of others. That includes DUB-LCY on behalf of EI, using their RJ85s.

latecoere240 24th October 2018 20:34


Originally Posted by spagiola (Post 10291370)
They've cancelled all their LCY routes, so that's no longer a requirement. Going forward, it seems they intend to only fly on behalf of others. That includes DUB-LCY on behalf of EI, using their RJ85s.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...deal-1.3610736
Now,they are focus on wet lease / charter flight. They are not going to fly on their own brand on DUB-LCY, but they will still need aircraft able to fly to LCY when ARJ leave the fleet ( If this route is still alive).So if ARJ leave the fleet by 2020 which aircraft type can be the successor (Jet : Embraer 170/190, A220,A318, ). If we take a look on flight radar about A/C type is landing there...https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...s/lcy/arrivals

Snowden 25th October 2018 09:12

The company will retain RJ due to the great success of SSJ.
According to my sources (pilots in CityJet), it has been communicated internally that they will hold on to RJ.
Of course, they had not communicated that they plan to retire SSJ. It would be to acknowledge its mistake, of course, such a magnificent company can not do it.
Instead, one plans to retire SSJ "in silence"
It's says all about Cityjets corporate culture, Think about it when you submit your application ..

liftman 26th October 2018 08:09

so:

March 19 end of wetlease bruxelles airlines
Mrch 19 end of wetlease AirFrance and no news about renewal
problem Ss100 and RJ getting older and older

it’s not seem to be a bright future am I wrong? i need info please got an interview for Rj in coming weeks base Dublin or Paris needed info in order to evaluate If coming or not.

Also Pm

tks

latecoere240 27th October 2018 14:25


Originally Posted by liftman (Post 10292888)
so:

March 19 end of wetlease bruxelles airlines
Mrch 19 end of wetlease AirFrance and no news about renewal
problem Ss100 and RJ getting older and older

it’s not seem to be a bright future am I wrong? i need info please got an interview for Rj in coming weeks base Dublin or Paris needed info in order to evaluate If coming or not.

Also Pm

tks

Well, as you said if 2 contract finish in 03/19..Don't know what will be the story with Brussel airlines as well as they plan to merge with Eurowings and there is a big uncertainty on SN during this transition period...
Regarding the bases, Paris and Dublin are 2 expensive city to live.. Accommodation in Dublin is a big issue right now.. With this salary I ask myself if it's worth it... Paris can be better, but uncertainty with SN,AF contract means we really don't know what it will be the story thereafter...

liftman 27th October 2018 16:34

....so...any inside Cityjet skipper would like to enlighten?

liftman 3rd November 2018 14:22

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufthansa-group/brussels-airlines/gradually-phasing-out-sukhoi-superjet-100s/


https://koztimes.com/european-airline-abandoned-russian-planes/7965/


So official end of SSJ era I suppose,

what next?

Inside news?

Denim and leather 4th November 2018 04:31


Originally Posted by latecoere240 (Post 10293889)
Well, as you said if 2 contract finish in 03/19..Don't know what will be the story with Brussel airlines as well as they plan to merge with Eurowings and there is a big uncertainty on SN during this transition period...
Regarding the bases, Paris and Dublin are 2 expensive city to live.. Accommodation in Dublin is a big issue right now.. With this salary I ask myself if it's worth it... Paris can be better, but uncertainty with SN,AF contract means we really don't know what it will be the story thereafter...

And what about the Hop contract on CRJ?

dcoded 4th November 2018 17:02


Originally Posted by Denim and leather (Post 10301012)
And what about the Hop contract on CRJ?

Rumors on the line suggest the planned 4 aircraft are no2 to be only 2.
Operations has started around 2 month ago.
Please note that the start was scheduled for 1st May, but due to lack of resources (crew) ops were postponed.

pil78 22nd November 2018 19:50

Hi everyone,

I have assessment next week with cityjet.

Is there some one here that did the interview recently? Any updates on the technical part of the interview?
Thanks in advance for your input.

lalbak 27th November 2018 09:21

I did the interview recently with one of the recruiters and a TRE not working for cityjet but doing the sim assessment and interview as a freelancer. Most of the interview consisted of capacity based questions in the form of "have you ever experienced this" "tell about about when that happened to you". Fairly standard questions but just a lot of them.
As for the technical part I got a few questions about alternates, fuel requirements, cold weather ops. We did not go into detail but merely touched upon the subjects lightly.
Then I was also asked what I knew about cityjet and whether I would be interested in a base other than the one I had applied for.

All questions came from a cityjet document and the answers were written down and forwarded to the appropriate department making the final decision. In my case the interviewers did not stray from these questions so there was not a lot of room to steer the interview in the direction you might want.

All in all a relaxed atmosphere and no funny tricks during the assessment.

Denim and leather 22nd January 2019 12:00

I heard HOP,s contract, will be ended by next March 2019?

Thepirate 27th January 2019 10:15

Any news from the inside about what’s happening with cityjet??

doesnt look rosy.... hop contract gone, superjet a disaster, massive cancellations with sas contract due lack of crews, klm contract went to stobart, no sign of Aer Lingus work apart from 2 old rj’s, brussels contract being operated by air nostrum.....

and from what i hear exodus of flight crew??!

DmanVstaal 4th February 2019 09:03

Any update to happenenigs at CityJet?

Easyheat 5th February 2019 16:17

To be basic: everything is the same....

High turnover of staff, crew etc. since people has a tendency to work for whoever offers the best Ts & Cs, meaning low seniority and experience.

SAS has decided that Cityjet is a strategic (long term) partner, in other words: Cityjet cancellations har no consequence, as long as it can be argued why (tech. problems, lack of staff etc). SAS will just rebook passengers to other flights.

There will be no adjustments in how management decide to run this company; hence they have decided to copy Ryanair, but in an other segment (ACMI).


Easyheat 8th February 2019 06:13

https://luftfart.nu/retssag-mod-sas-...-job-af-frygt/


Monday this week, the first of a series of lawsuits against the SAS supplier CityJet was initiated at the Labor Court in Copenhagen.

In 2017, CityJet, an Irish airline, bought the airline Cimber from SAS. Through this trade, CityJet became a supplier to SAS on the company's regional routes.

Since the acquisition, the employees and their union, the Airline Personnel Union, have experienced major challenges with the Irish management who has taken over the company. Despite the staff's attempts to solve the challenges locally, CityJet must, after one and a half years as a Danish employer, realize that the pile of accusations of breach of both the agreement and the right of management has begun to accumulate.

This week, the day of the main debate in the first case was up.

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At that time, the hearing had been going on for four hours, and Rune Asmussen could initiate his procedure. This was concluded with the claim that CityJet must acknowledge having abused the right of management and be ordered to pay a penalty.

Subsequently, Søren Møller Rasmussen performed his procedure with final claim for acquittal.

By this time, the hearing had been going on for almost seven hours. At just over nine o'clock in the evening, the referee panel withdrew. It is expected to fall within a few weeks.

Easyheat 26th February 2019 10:46

https://luftfart.nu/cityjet-piloter-...rbejdsvilkaar/

Googletranslate:
A new pilot alliance has seen the light of day. It is the pilots of the airline CityJet who have teamed up with the desire for a strengthened unity across the bases where the pilots work from.The need for a transnational cohesion has arisen as CityJet has expanded its network of bases, from which flights are produced for customers all over Europe - including SAS.

"The goal is that pilots can communicate with a common voice to the management and streamline a number of conditions," says Peter Hjort, chairman of the CityJet pilots in Denmark, who have taken the initiative for the new transnational alliance.

"When the company communicates with a voice to all pilots, it is also important that we can respond with one voice and make common demands on the company. Ultimately, it's about avoiding being played against each other, ”he elaborates.

WANT ALL WITH
The Alliance is fostered through the European Cockpit Association, a pan-European pilot association.

The cooperation includes CityJet's pilot bases in Copenhagen, Stockholm, Helsinki, Brussels, Dublin, Paris and Tallinn and is conducted through the respective national unions.

In Scandinavia, since 2017, there has been a good relationship between the Danish pilots, organized in the Flight Industry Personnel Union, and the Finns and Swedes in the Finnish Pilot Association and the Swedish Pilot Association respectively. But the desire is to bring everyone along, explains Peter Hjort.

The pilots at the Belgian Cockpit Association, the Irish Air Line Pilot Association and SNPL (Syndicat National des Pilotes de Ligne) recently joined the community.

GETTING STARTED ON TERMS AND CONDITIONS
In a short time, CityJet has built up a large business around so-called ACMI flights. That is, the company produces flights on behalf of external customers, including SAS.

Precisely because the company has more customers, the pilots move around between the company's bases, in order to get the production to hang together. The cooperation between the pilots must, among other things, prevent the company from being speculated about exploiting the differences that are found in the national working rules and agreements of the individual bases.

The development in CityJet is not an isolated case. At European level, there has been a growth of 66 percent of so-called regional ACMI flights in five years. For companies such as SAS, greater flexibility is created when aircraft and staff are "hired" rather than "owned". But the development also has an inconvenient backside:

For the suppliers, it is a question of delivering a sharp price to win the contracts that SAS among other companies send in tenders. One way to keep costs down is by pressing employees' terms, showing experiences from the US, where the development is 20 years ahead.

It is this development that the pilots are now trying to counter. First of all, by talking together and creating a forum for cross-border dialogue.

AGREEMENT IS A NATIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES
Although the collaboration is about defending the pilots' working conditions, there is no question of a desire for transnational agreements, Peter Hjort emphasizes.

"Agreements are first and foremost a national matter. Furthermore, there is a difference between what the pilots in the individual countries emphasize. In Copenhagen, leisure plays a role, while other bases have a desire to get the salary up, ”he says and adds:

“For us, it's all about getting the overall level up. Initially, we need to find out what makes sense. ”

According to the pilot chairman, it would be relevant to get a uniform standby and positioning, because the company moves a lot around its staff between the different bases.

Collaborating as the CityJet pilots have started here is also known from EasyJet and Norwegian.

liftman 27th April 2019 12:09

hi, renewing this post since I am still receiving offers for them. It seems they are quite struggling to find crews, any idea why? Contract not the best, but not so ugly expecially on French contract but....rumours say end of AirFrance wetlease in October....so? what's next? Bad roster maybe? Financial issues?

Care to enlighten, is it a good place to join nowadays or not? F/o not married.

Tks

Easyheat 27th April 2019 17:57

There is really nothing new. If you join, you will be overworked and underpaid. It is a business model, and it will not change.

Sorry....

BlueVolta 28th April 2019 18:22

On the RJ Paris base contract a lot of guys are on training for months now....
They are paid and waiting for their TR as apparently CJ is struggling to train them on the RJ.

dboy 2nd June 2019 08:03

I see they are recruiting FO for the BRU base on the CRJ.

Any news about their brussels airlines contract? Would be tempted to go for it ( Brussels base would be ideal) but i am a bit careful since it is a ACMI operator. On top of that, i do remember they made a huge loss in 2017 because of the expansion.

tx

Stjuk 20th July 2019 07:20

CPH DEC
 
Hi

I see they are recruiting DEC for CPH base.

Could anyone shed some light on pay and rosters?

Thanks

Easyheat 21st July 2019 13:16

Ppjn salary adjusted for inflation, so around 61.000 ddk/month plus pension, if captain.

Most likely you will have a flex roster, 183 working days/year, those who are in fixed group has 190/year.

Normail working period is 4-6 days of sling, with an early start (check in between 0530 and 7 am) the first day, and late checkout 10-11 pm the last day, if not delayed. Often 10-13 hours of rest at a 4 star hotel, in between. You can expect between 750-850 hours/year bloc, and 1600-1900 duty/year. Average block time per sector is 1:15, so 600-750 take offs and landings in a year.

Not a commuter friendly job IMHO, due to the early starts and late CO’s.

Stjuk 21st July 2019 13:23

Thanks. Much appreciated!

dboy 21st July 2019 16:29

How is CJ doing nowadays? In 2017 they made a huge loss due to expansion. I was thinking to apply but have some doubts. I am interested in the Brussels base. Anyone knows what a FO earns NET with a belgian contract???

Easyheat 11th December 2019 14:33

According to ppjn they are closing down HEL base:Current Situation: HEL base to close with lots of redundancies

Thepirate 16th December 2019 09:45

Cityjets not doing well I don’t think

-pilot redundancies at Helsinki and probably Vilnius/Tallinn/Dublin
​​​​​​-cabin crew redundancies Dublin/Helsinki probably Vilnius/Tallinn
​​​​​​-ageing fleet with only aircraft types either out of production or within 6 months out of production. Sure some of the crj’s are ‘new build’ but its an old design with the associated lack of efficiency of new gen options.
- both contracts (SAS/brussels airlines) reducing in scale. Aer Lingus agreement reduced to a handful of LCY flights.

I would only consider if you want to live in Stockholm or Copenhagen with the caveat of above

dboy 18th December 2019 20:49

The brussels-nantes operated by cityjet on behalf of SN was axed a few months ago.

Now today i ve read the Brussels- Torino operated by CJ on behalf of SN will also be axed from mid april 2020.

ACMI model seems to be not very solid.


ShamrockF 20th December 2019 08:28


Originally Posted by dboy (Post 10643067)
The brussels-nantes operated by cityjet on behalf of SN was axed a few months ago.

Now today i ve read the Brussels- Torino operated by CJ on behalf of SN will also be axed from mid april 2020.

ACMI model seems to be not very solid.


I'd be surprised if their ACMI contracts were route specific, and doubt it'll affect them. The aircraft will just be assigned to another route.

liftman 21st December 2019 09:45

What about avro RJ crews? Still paris base or is it closed?

I suspect not so much flying for them then


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