I guess you missed the bit in brackets, and all the other "hints".

I did if the two year contract said this is in fact not a two year contract but a permanent one- sorry bout that

Seems like you could get a dash command before you get an ejet slot at the moment. Probably 80/90 new FO's ahead of you on the list who would also move anywhere. So I would imagine at least 6/7 years, maybe more.

Attrition might change that.

It never fails to surprise me how people ignore the evidence which is plainly available when it doesn't fit with their desired world view. Look at the numbers of each type of aircraft in the fleet. Since about 2008 it has been extremely difficult to make career headway by joining a regional operator. Things have improved somewhat over the last 18 months but there are still plenty of guys and girls ahead of you looking either for the Emb right seat, the Dash left seat or simply to move on to another company. If you have aspirations to fly a 737/320 or bigger unfortunately joining a regional airline is one of the longer winded ways of getting what you want. It's a great job though.

Forget the Embraer, simple as that.
There are too few jets right now in too few bases, I will have gotten my command on the dash long before i ever get near the jet as the above poster has said.

And right now Dash command is enough to get you a job with BA, Jet2 anyway so don't know why so many people are obsessed with getting on the jet and having to move to MAN/BHX. That might not be the case in 5 years but I don't see why it won't. Bide your time on the Dash and live somewhere nice in the regions and then when it comes time to move on, switch operator. Simples.

Uk operators do not accept left seat dash time, so you will only move as an FO not DEC. Believe that will be the case soon in Turkey where some escapers went previously.

As a job not bad and sometimes any job is better than none, however new joins should have a clear idea of what career path they wish to follow. The value of a regional operator used to be you were based where your family were and you were home each night. I am led to believe that that may not be the case any more at Flybe:hmm:

I think cgwhitemomk11 meant that left seat dash can get you into any airline within the UK, he didn't say left seat any airline.

The nightstopping will of course depend on which base you are at. The Southern bases are seeing the most nightstopping at the moment (MAN downwards) but I think you're right, it will probably increase for the large majority of us.

Yes thats what i meant

Dean,
So long as guys don't labour under the illusion that left seat dash will get left seat jet elsewhere. (Although things can often change).
So yes you are right it will help for most fo jobs.

Still a newbe 800+ poster? I thought that was going to he fixed?

Completely agree with you PT6, I hope people aren't under that illusion either because if they are then they'll be disappointed. DEC from Dash to other jet operators in the UK has happened before, of course it has, but it's almost as rare as Hayley's comet.

Yes so did I. The administrator fixed it 3 times but it kept coming back, he can't explain it, oh well. :bored:

747pro

Yes, flying the Dash can be fun but its mostly work. When it is fun it is fun in the sense that juggling knives is fun. It takes concentration and practice to get good at it but if you get distracted it is highly unforgiving.

I suspect if you get to speaking with anyone who "hopped" over to another airline last year, they will all attest to the fact that it involved graft to get through the various selection processes. Having experience does not mean that you can walk in to another airline job with great ease. In the UK all DEP recruitment campaigns are keenly contested - you are always going to be competing against highly motivated, well trained and competent fellow professionals.

20 - 30 ish to Jet2 over the last 18 months
30 ish to easy
BACF 15?
BA Mainline ??

they are paying for their A320 ratings like all the other chumps :ok:

They joined without ratings during the last round of DEP recruitment but had to stump up for the rating.

That is Correct.

Cgwhitemonk I am one of the "chumps" who joined easyJet having applied in the 2013 recruitment round. I find it highly amusing to be banded together with my fellow colleagues and all described as chumps for paying for a rating.

Many of us are now starting the command process at easy or will be able to very shortly. Possibly to switch seats within two years. With a much higher salary than available at Flybe and in a far, far more profitable and stable company. Of course staying at Flybe with all the uncertainty that still entails was the winners option was it?

I'm not wishing to get involved in a willy waving contest but, really, you can't make up some of the stuff you hear/read on here sometimes.

Just as a bit of further information for FlyerGuy, not all people got DEP with easyJet. Some started on the Parc contract. Actually pretty good money but can't start receiving shares, paying in to the pension etc until that interview for full time after 12 months is done.

At the moment the requirement is only for A320 rated folks. The 2013 window that was open to non rated was closed pretty quickly, leading to a situation where some people who were in the hold pool without a rating were ditched before an offer could be made. You can argue the merits of rated vs non rated employment until the cows come home but, for the moment, that's where we are.

Anyway, back to Flybe!

As it seems the only care was about yourself and your future earnings and nothing else I think the moniker 'chump' is quite appropriate.

You have to laugh at the morons on these boards.

Being called a 'chump' for joining a better company, with better career prospects, vastly better renumeration, far greater security, etc. and being called a chump, because they had to fork out for an A320 type?

lol.

Perhaps Flybe would pay a respectable salary and long term security if their employees paid for their type? As opposed to the insulting one they offer now.

Thought not.

The ongoing self concerned and congratulatory attitude is chump worthy yes. No consideration for any other implications of your actions. Brilliant.

Lord Spandex, whilst I agree with your principle, surely the implication of not taking the action is someone else will? Then the principle is lost. And so is the job. To someone without principle.

Lord Spandex Master the die has already been cast. If you think that some individual is going to be able to magically turn the clock back to the T's & C's of the 1960's just out of some misguided sense of principle in not paying for a rating you are deeply mistaken.

But if you can feel comfort in the fact you have never paid for a rating the next time Flybe wheel out the guillotine, and it WILL inevitably happen, then fine. Others of us moved on to better things and didn't think twice.

By that token I wish no ill feeling towards the rest of my ex colleagues at Flybe. Just the ones that feel it necessary to denigrate others who moved to better things just because they weren't in a position to (or didn't wish to) do the same.

LSM
 

I would suggest that leaving a job with poor conditions, in order to take up another with vastly superior ones; has positive implications for all concerned.

Staying in a job on industry-lagging conditions has implications for others, too.

That's my point. This industry is full of selfish individuals who do not consider the long term effects of their actions.

McNugget can you explain to me how you going to Easy and paying them 30 odd grand or whatever has benefitted me in anyway?

Rex, I know it has and no I don't think that will happen. Doesn't change the facts though. You should have thought twice though, if only for your own benefit, because what happens when your next employer wants you to pay for your next TR under the principle that you have subscribed to. You gonna pay?

I agree LSM. But so few with principles are left it's now a case of facing isolation or fighting fire with fire.

It's a sad but lasting legacy of the people who think they've done you and me a favour by paying for a type rating.

My comment was more light hearted than it has been interpreted so calm down ladies....

I have friends at Easy and you make the decisions that you feel comfortable with but the argument 'if i didn't do it someone else would have' is the reason we ended up in this silly situation in the first place. The reality is if everyone said no then it would simply stop, how many airlines in China are asking you to come and pay for a type rating? Supply and demand and all that jazz... :ok:

Anyway back on topic as I have already replied to a few PMs if you are joining as an experienced guy the current requirements for command are roughly:

2500 TT
1000 multi - 500 with Flyby
ATPL
And at least 2 decent sims I believe.

If you joined now with circa 2000 hours and were willing to move to any base required I believe within 2 years you could be on 65K and then you can start saving to go live the dream with Easy! (I jest... for the oh so touchy Easy crews :ok:)

*disclaimer* --- final paragraph in no way reflects the views of Flybe or the majority of this board, just the opinion of a lowly minion watching the spate of resignations tallied up agains the amount of people who will never move base

LSM
 

Paying for a TR is a curse, and I didn't do it. Nor am I at EZY. But, anyone who turned down Easy from Flybe would be extremely foolish from a professional standpoint. You'll recoup the TR cost soon enough, and you'll have a far better career in pretty much every way.

People leaving the bottom feeders for greener pastures is a good thing for themselves and the industry. The sooner the likes of Flybe have a crewing epidemic, the better.

Well can you explain how anyone paying easy for a TR has benefitted me in anyway?

How has it improved the industry?

I didn't say that paying for a type rating has benefited you or the industry. Your comprehension must have failed you, if that was your interpretation.

I'm saying that leaving a bottom feeder employer for a better one is beneficial for all concerned.

Now, that's not so hard to understand, is it?

Feel free to stay at Flybe and continue to piss and moan about people who move on to bigger and better things.

Pilots are the ones that created this mess (trying to make a few extra bucks on the side) and only the Labour laws will change it.

The Unions (if you could call them that) have shown little interest in this topic.

If you don't pay for the type rating a CTC cadet will.

McNugget
The subject under discussion was buying a TR from easyJet. You responded by stating that doing so has positive implications for "all concerned".

and..
and...
"All concerned" would include current and future employees of this industry which includes me. So please tell me what positive implications and benefits I gain from somebody leaving Flybe and buying a type rating from easyJet.

I'm assuming verbal reasoning tests have held you back from getting more worthwhile employment.

Continue being argumentative, and refusing to understand my (abundantly clear) point. I've no dog in this fight.

McNugget,

Don't take it personally - look back at LSM's posts in other threads and you will see that you are knocking your head off a re-enforced concrete wall.

LSM you can pontificate all you want but a significant number of people who left BEE for EZY used redundancy money to fund the type rating. Redundancy money is supposed to be used to up-skill and help people stay in employment. This was a case of the system actually working for once - you are barking up the wrong tree!

In terms of Flybe - are there any signs of new lines of work to keep the Dashes that were operating DUB, INV and NCL to LCY? That may have a bearing on recruitment.

SR, it matters not a jot where the money came from the effect is still the same.

McNugget, I'll ask you in a different way. How does buying a TR from easyJet benefit anyone except easyJet and the person buying the TR?

It doesn't. I made that clear.

Well it does as I am one of the "all concerned".

Perhaps you meant it only benefits easyJet and the person buying the TR (which isn't "all concerned" and which you failed to specify and make clear) and is why I consider them, selfish, ignorant, chumps.

Enjoy wallowing in your self-pity.

Ok, so now it's clear that you only see a benefit for the individual concerned and the airline and not "all concerned". Why didn't you just say that in the first place?

I'm curious why you think I'm wallowing in self pity though. I don't work for Flybe and I haven't paid a penny for any of my type ratings.

I didn't say that. However, you demonstrably lack the wherewithal to extract what, to most, is clear.

You're saying buying a type rating benefits "all concerned"? But your "all concerned" isn't anybody in the industry and it isn't the individual and the airline concerned.

So instead of getting personal why don't you specify exactly who your all encompassing "all concerned" is referring to, exactly?