JS - you are loosing the plot. Can only assume you are looking to amuse yourself on a wet sunday afternoon.

I'm afraid that they will. Just look at the number of "cadets" lining up to pay vast sums to Ryanair or CTC or any of a number if these "schemes".

A lot of these spoilt little :mad: just want to be able to put themselves on arsebook or twitter wearing a pilot uniform. After two years they get bored then go and work in daddy's business when they realise that it isn't actually as glamorous as they think and that they might have to wait a while before being called captain.

Anyone who thinks there is little desire to do this job and little conception of what it actually entails should have a look in the "interviews and sponsorship" section. The lemmings are falling over themselves to give away their parent's money and if the rest of us get shafted as a result, what the hell do they care?

They don't and management are laughing all the way to the bank.

This should have been stopped about twenty years ago, but, as usual, pilots refuse to stick together, preferring to wave their :mad: around at each other and so nothing happened.

Fat too late now. JS is right to get the hell out. I wish I could.

I already had in my previous post JS. But then you cap it off with "As they should be (management smashing the work force into submission). That should be one of the main goals of management. The days of companies striving for a happy, well motivated workforce are long gone. People now (and not just in aviation) are just grateful to have a job. Therefore, management would be mad not to do absolutely everything that they can to drive down employee conditions. A cowed workforce unable to fight for their conditions (and unwilling to do anything to effect change) is a wet dream for management and shareholders.

If you really think this is how successful companies are built then good luck to you. I hate to imagine what sort of "manager" you will be but I know with your attitude you will not survive.

There are many reasons for the decline in aviation as a satisfying and stable career and you quite rightly point out many of these. Top of the pile is greed followed closely by stupidity. But to claim that these are desirable characteristics of management today is frankly very sad for someone who is seeking a management career elsewhere.

I have first hand experience of a UK company where its management thought it was invincible and could do what it wanted. It rewarded greed and shut its eyes to the legality of actions for the sake of profit. At one stage not that long ago it was the biggest company in its field in the world. Now, it is an apologetic joke desperately relying on the loyalty of severely depleted staff to dig it back to acceptability.

If, my aviation career started when I wished it had at 21, and I joined a low cost airline doing 4 sectors a day, 20 times a month, I too would be looking for a way out. As mentioned before JS, you're the product of too much too soon with no respite in between. We don't all have the same experience as you. Right now I'm in a job that has me flying 2 sectors 3 times per week. I thank the gods every night I didn't make easyJet. I'd probably end up like you. Self-righteous and completely clapped out. And do tell us, because we're waiting with bated breath, what exactly do you intend to do after aviation?

In the days when Danny was the owner of PPRuNe, each and every page was graced with warning that folks posting here need not necessary be what they claim to be and there is risk of their main purpose being seeking reactions.

It would be very cynical of me to suggest that inflammatory posts and trolling are good for revenue from advertisements as they tend to attract clicks.

Oh well, I need to uphold my reputation of cynical :mad:, so there.

JS - I don't know if your a pilot or a troll, but to talk down your profession in such a way, makes you a disgrace to it.

fade to grey :D

Norwegian Application
 

Ive received the email re : online assesment link. Anyone care to PM me some details of the actual test and if there is anything online that is useful prep?

Ive never had to do anything like this before, as ive not changed jobs for many years. Its was a face to face interview and sim check last time i applied for anything. Not sure what verbal reasoning proves for guys with 15000 jet hours !

Any info appreciated

Didn't the NLH package just get a 15% uplift?

:rolleyes:

Strikes me NLH have benefitted from a bunch of senior guys joining who are just looking for some pocket-money. Right place, right time. These guys don't need the money but they act as a brake on T&C's. Bit like when a previous airline took on a bunch of newly retired 55 year old BA retirees...

Is this "normal" supply and demand? Your call...

Southwest obviously pay their pilots peanuts and just happen to be somewhere where everybody wants to work. I'm fairly sure it is run by managers who understand the wisdom of JS.

I'm also pretty sure there isn't another industry in the world where there is downward pressure on T&C's.

:ugh:

Agree with Fade to Grey here! A Troll invasion I'm not sure there is much
"Wisdom" in dragging the industry through the gutters

SR71, you couldn't be more wrong about Southwest, they are one of the highest earning pilot groups in the U.S. with arguable the best contract.

I believe he was being sarcastic/tongue in cheek :rolleyes:

My mistake. Note to self: read entire thread before commenting!

Anecdotal evidence indicates that NLH are recruiting for a holding pool that will provide a base of pre recruited or potential recruits, who can be signed up, providing the airline gains greater access to the US market.

If this is not the case, then there will be nothing offered to the hopefuls.

Its been rumoured that training bonds will be taken from applicants before formal employment is offered. Therefore its possible that holding pool pilots
will be out of pocket by upto €40,000 while waiting.

It could be a costly and lengthy wait .

100 pilots at 40.000 euros, that's 4 millions !!

Yeah..right..I have the money ready for transfer.. oh wait...I did not apply :ugh:
This profession is becoming a pathetic pantomime .. time to quit.

The comments on here are becoming ridiculous. The bond is for the type rating not the job. You can't be asked to pay to go into a holding pool. These fantastical statements are becoming quite tedious. Useful constructive comments pleeeeaaaase.

I am new here, but...

Is Rishworth the only agency for Norwegian?
As I understand that Rishworth works more for themselves/the-airline, than maybe another agency would?

MASSH,

These agencies are indeed a real "cancer" for this industry. However they only exist and survive thanks to the airlines they represent. The specificities of these agencies and their way of running their business have been discussed at length in the past but suffice to say that Rishworth is to be avoided like the plague!