PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Terms and Endearment (https://www.pprune.org/terms-endearment-38/)
-   -   Jet2 Autumn 2014 (https://www.pprune.org/terms-endearment/546811-jet2-autumn-2014-a.html)

HeartyMeatballs 5th July 2015 17:18

Looks like NTR recruitment is included in their latest recruitment drive. Anyone know if your are bonded or is it a SSTR? Anyone know how their NCL or LBA bases are fairing these days?

greenedgejet 5th July 2015 18:23

Traditional Bond
 
If you have sufficient experience then traditional bond for B737.

Not the highest payers in the industry but not the worst and they seem to appreciate folk with good grounding in flying like ex-mil and TP operators unlike competitors with their woefully paid subcontracted out cadet schemes.

HeartyMeatballs 5th July 2015 18:51

Thanks for the reply. I have looked at PPJN and if the figures are correct then I could quite happily live with it. It's less than what I earn now but if I get a home base I'll be quids in anyway as I'll be saving £600-£700 a month is commuting and accommodation.

Update to say PPJN now show it to be a three year bond.

gorter 6th July 2015 07:24

Jet2 Autumn 2014
 
Don't forget to factor in the half pay during training and the likelihood that you will be stuck on a 70% contract for your first year/s and any "best endeavours" to put you on a 100% contract are pretty meaningless

Lord Spandex Masher 6th July 2015 08:38

Actually the likelihood is a 100% contract these days.

But, hey, never let the facts get in the way of your bias.

Narrow Runway 6th July 2015 09:21

Nonsense.
 
Actually, I think you are displaying significant bias Lord Spandex Masher.

As someone who expressed an interest in jet2.com, I attended selection in late 2013. I passed day 1 as a NTR DEC. They asked me if I would be interested in 757, I said yes. Then what happened was a ridiculous dance around being able to organise a sim slot. Then it all went dead. I withdrew my interest.

I decided to consider it again in late 2014. I was asked to come back and do all those tests again - and it was pointed out that I would be a NCL recruit on a 70% contract. I declined to attend.

An experienced, current UK based captain. 70% and a family move?

Dream on.

Sean Dillon 6th July 2015 09:53

Beware the Reverend Meeson Coolaid Drinkers on here! Totally deluded!

Plan on 3-4 months on 50% salary, maybe more with the folk leaving. Over 100 pilots leaving in 8 months is not down to basing, that's "internal spin "Take Me There" utter rubbish - ask more questions and try to find a few opinions of working for this company.

With regards its financial state, the turnover is a massive amount of money through the company, the profit compared to it, is embarrassingly small! The bank balance reserves is only £200m, forward holiday bookings and ABTA insurance! No great cash reserves!

The business model got them started over 10 years ago, cargo-thinking - old aircraft, minimum hours! It's now completely trapped in a corner with no money for new airframes and still a seasonal flying program! Ask most of the non-Coolaid drinkers with a background of good employers, most if not all, will confirm it simply can't continue! I would suggest will probably be sold at some point, it's far too temporary with little infrastructure!

Think carefully, to be at home is great - to work for Jet2 is not! It's the worst of everything you will ever encounter in the UK aviation market...over 100 pilots have left.....!!!!!

Good luck!

speedrestriction 6th July 2015 10:25

Good post Sean,

To me it seems that there is no prospect of the company generating enough profit to perform a re-fleet with new airframes. The seasonality is the biggest brake on the company being able to move forward and the eventual rise in crude oil prices will hammer it's summer profitability given the fleet age.

Short term there is no reason why it won't remain a modestly profitable airline but If I were an investor, I would have questions over how it is going to ensure it will still be trading in 15 years time.

SR

Lord Spandex Masher 6th July 2015 12:38


Originally Posted by Narrow Runway (Post 9036128)
Actually, I think you are displaying significant bias Lord Spandex Masher.

As someone who expressed an interest in jet2.com, I attended selection in late 2013. I passed day 1 as a NTR DEC. They asked me if I would be interested in 757, I said yes. Then what happened was a ridiculous dance around being able to organise a sim slot. Then it all went dead. I withdrew my interest.

I decided to consider it again in late 2014. I was asked to come back and do all those tests again - and it was pointed out that I would be a NCL recruit on a 70% contract. I declined to attend.

An experienced, current UK based captain. 70% and a family move?

Dream on.

Strange. As an experienced, current UK based captain I was offered and given a 100% contract - as was everyone else on my course.

This year the majority of new starters are on a 100% contract. That's a fact not a delusion or bias by the way.

Perhaps the selection process works huh?

Sean Dillon 6th July 2015 13:59


This year the majority of new starters are on a 100% contract. That's a fact not a delusion or bias by the way
I think that's also called desperation! With its present business model, I'm sure they would have offered 70% if they could get people - which they no longer can!

There is a "Brick-Wall" approaching!

Paddingtons wellies 6th July 2015 14:25

Sean Dillon - is that the brick wall BA have also hit??? They are struggling with numbers as well?

I grant you some good people are currently leaving, but we are also managing to get rid of a fair few of the whingers and whiners to BA!!

As an aside actually look at the Dart Group accounts, look at the net cash position statement, that reflects around 10% margin. A target Willie Walsh has set for IAG. The 'profit' figure may be nearer the 4% mark, but the one that counts and keeps the doors open is the net cash position.

And no, I don't drink coolaid.

Lord Spandex Masher 6th July 2015 14:38


Originally Posted by Sean Dillon (Post 9036457)
I think that's also called desperation! With its present business model, I'm sure they would have offered 70% if they could get people - which they no longer can!

I think it's called business.

Strangely you appear to be unhappy that most people are getting 100% contracts now whilst you've previosuly derided the company's employment practices.

How's the M25 and your commute?

Jet2_320 6th July 2015 18:51

Lord Spandex Masher I appreciate being in a lower management role within Jet2 you have to tell the company line. Hence why your views might slightly differ from us, the normal line pilots.

For all the new guys joining us, after a few years when the shine wears off, when your realise a 6on2off roster doesn't work for your private life, when flying maximum hours in the summer and you have to arrange last minute childcare because of the 10th last minute roster change within the week, when you get another empty promise from the mint and you have been grounded again for something which wouldn't even justify an ASR in any other airline. That is when you appreciate why so many pilots are leaving.

It's nice to hear you are enjoying Jet2 and for sure your view is shared by all the new joiners. We do have great people indeed to work with on a day to day basis. However somebody in your position must understand with so many people leaving, as Sean Dillon says, something must be fundamentally wrong.

Narrow Runway; Reading the latest PLOG (pilots newsletter) from the 73 new pilots recruited a fair amount got offered 70% contracts this year.

Wodka 6th July 2015 23:21

Jet2 Autumn 2014
 
Wow how time flies - is it already time for another silly season of... Apply, hear nothing for months, receive a cryptic email around November to tell you how lucky you are to still be in the running before the glorious Feb PFO!

Nah, I'll give it a miss this year thanks

gorter 7th July 2015 00:01

A 70% contract is 100% summer and then get lost for a few months in the winter paid 70% of a full time salary all year round (except for during training when it's 50% of 70%). For those very few that do it, commuting is a struggle on any fleet.

Lord Spandex Masher 7th July 2015 06:39


Originally Posted by Jet2_320 (Post 9036776)
Narrow Runway; Reading the latest PLOG (pilots newsletter) from the 73 new pilots recruited a fair amount got offered 70% contracts this year.

Yep, 61 permanent contracts out of 73 new pilots. That's about 84%. Some of can actually read and comprehend.

The rest of your post is similarly inaccurate.

Lord Spandex Masher 7th July 2015 07:38

I'm sure you're more than capable of working it out for yourself even though I missed out an 'us'?

The rest is just simple mathematics. Do you need me to explain that for you as well?

taxi_driver 7th July 2015 09:28

This mob remind me of Orion, the hybrid charter tour operator come scheduled carrier from the 80's.

After a steady period of growth and modest success they reached critical mass. Wild fire rumours of bigger better aircraft, a couple of big airbus pitched up. Within two years they were taken over by Brittania.

Honest Fr@nk 7th July 2015 09:40

Children children....My train set is better than your train set!! My trains are better than your trains!! I can play with my trains more often you you can!! Ner ner ner ner ner. Choose the train set you want to go and play with and go and play with it! If it wasn't as good as the picture on the box then go play with another. Simple.

Prophead 7th July 2015 09:50

Exactly, this airline would suit me for many reasons. I could live where I want to be based and have a skill from a previous career I could use if I was not flying through the winter.

As for rosters etc. you should see what I work now in a non flying job.

I will be applying.


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:01.


Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.