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Raph737 14th March 2020 22:36


Originally Posted by VariablePitchP (Post 10714185)
The problem with this view is that it crumbles under the slightest questioning.

I highly doubt that after the first week of the the second world war people were sticking their heads in the sand and laughing it off on the basis that by that point no one had actually been killed yet and therefore bee stings, shark attacks and accidents involving ice cream dispensers had still killed more people, and therefore we’re a bigger threat to life?

More people die of flu than in car crashes in the U.K., I suspect you still wear a seatbelt... And more people die of old age than cancer, I still think it’s worthwhile researching cancer treatments though!

Flu is not COVID, they are totally totally different and one has zero effect on the other one. Apathy is more dangerous than the virus itself.


Not a daft comparison at all. Swine flu, 10 years ago, infected over a billion people. Only reason there wasn’t 50 million dead as with the Spanish flu was luck as it wasn’t a serious disease. You may think that people in the 1900s lived in caves and still worshipped trees but sadly not. They had exactly the same number of ways to cure Spanish flu as we have for COVID. Zero, nada, zilch. Tell me again that it’s a daft comparison.

Just watched the guy who discovered Ebola, and helped identify Covid-19, make that comparison to Spanish flu, you’re right on the ball there, is not daft.

Other news, Will be interesting to see if Bojo will agree to the £7.5bil lifeline to UK airlines that Virgin will request on Monday. Right now I’m feeling very insecure and seriously fearing for my job....

GS-Alpha 14th March 2020 22:39

It is fair to say that for most people, this will be just a mild, ranging through to nasty, respiratory infection from which they will recover, with ranging from no long term effects, to life long scarring of their lung tissue. However, given how many people would get it, the small percentage it would kill if left unchecked, would be a very big number. Now the governments of the world could just sit back and let it happen, and watch tens of millions die, or they can cause economic damage but save many many lives. There will always be some who would rather forego the economic pain and let millions of people other than themselves die, but fortunately, the governments of the world, together with their health care and economic advisors, have deemed it better for society that they do something to try and limit the fatalities. Mistakes will I am sure be made, but fortunately in most people’s world, life versus death is more important than employment or money in the bank.

Flying the flag 15th March 2020 00:28

Starting the 23rd
 

Originally Posted by CLN1E (Post 10714129)
Evening all.

Is anybody else here due to start on the 23rd? I haven’t heard a thing from BA yet, growing increasingly worried...

Thanks

Im supposed to be starting on the 23rd as well and as far as I’m aware and from the call I had last week then all is ok for the 23rd....However with the doom and gloom coming from the news I’m getting increasingly worried for the week ahead.

2 Whites 2 Reds 15th March 2020 09:26


Originally Posted by VariablePitchP (Post 10714185)
The problem with this view is that it crumbles under the slightest questioning.

I highly doubt that after the first week of the the second world war people were sticking their heads in the sand and laughing it off on the basis that by that point no one had actually been killed yet and therefore bee stings, shark attacks and accidents involving ice cream dispensers had still killed more people, and therefore we’re a bigger threat to life?

More people die of flu than in car crashes in the U.K., I suspect you still wear a seatbelt... And more people die of old age than cancer, I still think it’s worthwhile researching cancer treatments though!

Flu is not COVID, they are totally totally different and one has zero effect on the other one. Apathy is more dangerous than the virus itself.


Not a daft comparison at all. Swine flu, 10 years ago, infected over a billion people. Only reason there wasn’t 50 million dead as with the Spanish flu was luck as it wasn’t a serious disease. You may think that people in the 1900s lived in caves and still worshipped trees but sadly not. They had exactly the same number of ways to cure Spanish flu as we have for COVID. Zero, nada, zilch. Tell me again that it’s a daft comparison.

Ok, you asked for it, it's a daft comparison. Luck had nothing to do with it. Years of medical research developing a range of broad spectrum antibiotics to treat the underlying health conditions like pneumonia thus making those infected more resilient to the virus itself was the reason 50 million didn't die.

Protect the elderly, vulnerable and those with underlying health conditions which make them susceptible to Covid at all costs of course. The rest of the world needs to carry on and quite frankly, get a bloody grip.

Back to the thread.....

I feel very sorry for those that have been caught in no mans land and only hope their current airlines allow them to rescind resignations. All I would say is that the news coming out of BA is very very sobering. I've been in 5 years or so and for the first time in my career I'm fearing for my job. Next week will probably reveal wide ranging survival measures. It's not going to be pretty.

Best of luck all.

2W2R

Black Pudding 15th March 2020 15:20

Word on the street, some of our FOs from near here in the Middle East are working their notice on the basis they did have a job offer and start date at BA.

BA cancelled their start dates and put them back in a hold pool. The company here not letting them stay as not required.

2 Whites 2 Reds 15th March 2020 15:33


Originally Posted by Black Pudding (Post 10714968)
Word on the street, some of our FOs from here in the Middle East are working their notice on the basis they did have a job offer and start date at BA.

BA cancelled their start dates and put them back in a hold pool. The company here not letting them stay as not required.

Absolutely awful. I feel very sorry for them. The global situation is truly unprecedented and I wonder who will be left standing when this is all over. I'm preparing myself for some major news from my employer and the CC early next week. As some of my colleagues have already said, I'm really hoping we can avoid any pilot job losses and am prepared to take a hit to achieve that if needs be.

Again, best of luck folks. This isn't gonna be pretty.

Black Pudding 15th March 2020 15:51


Originally Posted by 2 Whites 2 Reds (Post 10714980)
Absolutely awful. I feel very sorry for them. The global situation is truly unprecedented and I wonder who will be left standing when this is all over. I'm preparing myself for some major news from my employer and the CC early next week. As some of my colleagues have already said, I'm really hoping we can avoid any pilot job losses and am prepared to take a hit to achieve that if needs be.

Again, best of luck folks. This isn't gonna be pretty.

I would suggest a good way of helping would be if all staff were asked to take one months unpaid leave anytime over the next 8 -12 months, then your company uses this to cut capacity by a quarter or third and hopefully this situation will be gone soon. Once this crap has gone, people will want to get away. SARS lasted 9 months.

Good luck to all

CW247 15th March 2020 15:58

There's perhaps no easy way to say this but the over 60s should consider calling it quits, life, particularly at BA has been good to them. What they have, the next generation of pilots could not even hope for. Besides, I read somewhere flying in your last few years taxes the body as much as it did in the last 20.

Douglas Bahada 17th March 2020 00:23

CW247.

Why not tell them to roll over and die instead.

Tay Cough 17th March 2020 09:42

BA have just issued an HR-1 redundancy notice for an unspecified number of pilot redundancies.

While at face value, this is perhaps a little alarming, it’s part of a longer process involving negotiations between BA and BALPA. Previous form suggests compulsory redundancies will be avoided but obviously everything else will come to a halt for some time.

Rottweiler22 17th March 2020 10:29


Originally Posted by Tay Cough (Post 10717124)
BA have just issued an HR-1 redundancy notice for an unspecified number of pilot redundancies.

While at face value, this is perhaps a little alarming, it’s part of a longer process involving negotiations between BA and BALPA. Previous form suggests compulsory redundancies will be avoided but obviously everything else will come to a halt for some time.

What do you reckon will come from it? Pay cuts, unpaid leave, dilution of Ts & Cs, etc?

Smooth Airperator 17th March 2020 10:51

I hope BALPA are on the ball with this. Remember, what they take away they'll never give back. At the same time they'll justify their huge bonuses by claiming they delivered an amazing turnaround even though it will be the lowest paid who made the biggest sacrifices.

Percula 17th March 2020 16:03


Originally Posted by RexBanner (Post 10717490)
New joiners and the internal guys on conversion/promotion courses at TBC today have had their training terminated and been sent home, with the exception of those on the A350. Uncharted waters indeed, god knows what’s about to happen.

This is untrue. Please can we not try and spread rumours. This is stressful enough as it is.

Plastic787 17th March 2020 16:33

BA today issued a FAN suspending Schedule F of the Memorandum of Agreement. Some
ongoing training courses are indeed being canned.

Spudder 17th March 2020 16:36


Originally Posted by Percula (Post 10717541)
This is untrue. Please can we not try and spread rumours. This is stressful enough as it is.


It very much is true..

Raph737 17th March 2020 17:28

Rishi Sunak just announced financial help to UK businesses and airlines with a series of measures, with an initial bailout of £330Bi. I guess BA has no excuse to make pilots, or any other employee redundant now, considering their profits and cash liquidity they have plus Government cash injections to avoid redundancies.



FlipFlapFlop 17th March 2020 17:33

Macron stated €300bn is to protect french jobs.....no french redundancies. The same must apply to the UK £300bn

GKOC41 17th March 2020 17:58

Lot of banter in previous threads about Nigels wanting part time. Well the door should be wide open now surely? Or will guys n girls back track?
This would mitigate only a small amount I appreciate.

wiggy 17th March 2020 18:47

No, the "Nigels" :rolleyes: I know who have been pushing for Part Time aren't back tracking.

Whether offering Part Time fits in with the company's plans remains to be seen.

GS-Alpha 17th March 2020 19:41

Yes, once you’ve started day one, you are an employee. I don’t think anyone was suggesting people been told to go home from a course and rejoin the holding pool.


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