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6 on 1 off, 5 on 2 off, really? That sounds dreadful and harder work than the summer just gone at the orange loco.
Another here about to join the LHR sh ranks. Fully aware it wasn't going to be a cake walk and with family situation similar to others weekend work doesn't bother me at the minute. However, that sounds particularly punishing. I understand the roster restructuring is causing uncertainty for the future but how do typical (if there is such a thing) winter/summer CAP translate into duty/block hours? |
As someone that started with BA in the regions, if I was working elsewhere for a half decent carrier, I wouldn’t leave it to come to BA. Virtually everyone had to be chiselled out of their regional bases when BA shut them down for various reasons. ‘All the above is true. BA is great if you are a PP24 skipper with decent seniority. Otherwise, it’s hard work, with lots of down sides . TBH, it is only going to get worse, what with BREXIT, extra runways at LHR on the horizon. BA doesn’t do change very well. |
Now you’ve gone and done it..you’ve used the B word......I think before that happens the biggest clear and present danger for many might be something beginning with J (”lifestyle, stuffed” 3 letters)... |
Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
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Also I know BA recruitment is full steam ahead at the moment so if you joined recently by this time next year 400 extras would be behind you. If you join at the end of that chain and BA close up recruitment for 2 years am I right in thinking you could be bottom of a pile for a while thus taking even longer to move LH/ improve your roster? In very basic terms and in a nutshell..yes. Now course if people keep retiring and the company pilot headcount/fleet size doesn’t reduce it is unlikely recruitment will stop completely (in the foreseeable future) and so you would hope to trundle up the list, but if there was a major event leading to a downturn you could end up “stuck”. FWIW from a roster improvement POV you can also end up effectively stuck in place on your fleet if you somehow get into a fleet whilst very junior (directly as a DEP or perhaps because temporarily the fleet isn’t attracting senior bidders but you’ve taken a punt and bid across) and then subsequently the more senior pilots then decide to bid across to the fleet and slot in above you..not likely on shorthaul but can happen on Longhaul..ask me how I know....... Best bet had always been to join at the start of any recruitment bulge...the trick is actually being able to spot when that is happening. |
Originally Posted by hunterboy
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extra runways at LHR on the horizon
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Originally Posted by RexBanner
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Still amazed at the amount of people who think this is going to happen any time in the foreseeable future. |
Some further positivity. I am junior ish (77% from the top) on the 777 and have a very enjoyable lifestyle. The JSS dry runs have given me a roster roughly akin to what I’m after. The flying is generally enjoyable and the colleagues good for a beer at the end of the day. I am generally working 16 or max 17 days a month. It can be tiring, particularly if you get a sequence of trip/2 days off/trip for a few weeks. It seems I may be about to pick up an early LGW command after less than 4 years in BA. The only thing moving me out of my long haul seat is the desire to see my kids every day and take some of the weight from my wife. When the kids have grown up a bit and are self-sustaining I will be able to go back to long haul and show my wife the bright lights of Riyadh and Abuja, or Boston in a Nor-Easter in January :E I should say I already lived within an hour of LHR and was still in the RHS of a LCC when I joined. |
Brexit
How are BA communicating any possible issues with Brexit on the horizon? My employer is making a fair bit of noise regarding possible changes to the pilot establishment so it would be interesting to see how other airlines are viewing the future....
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Very little official Comms, seeing as BA do not fly passengers within European borders I very much doubt it’s an issue at all aside from how it affects the wider British economy. |
Originally Posted by pilotpete123
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How are BA communicating any possible issues with Brexit on the horizon?.
If some in the company are pushed (e.g. I know that some of our Foreign national, foreign resident commuting crewmembers have been a bit spooked about the issue of entering the U.K. prior to reporting for work) the backstop ;) answer is “ that will be down to government policy, nothing to do with BA”. |
...and back to pay and those who were asking about any possible rises in the near future...hot off the press, this is from a joint union statement (from BALPA plus UNITE plus the GMB) released earlier today: “ The joint unions are therefore seeking to agree the following increases: RPI+1.75% (or 5% if higher) from 1-Jan-19; RPI+1.5% from 1-Jan-20 and RPI+1.25% from 1-Jan-21. We also believe BA is able to give staff a much larger share in the success of the business, aligning the interests of the company, its shareholders and staff. To achieve this aim, the joint unions are seeking to agree (i) an enhanced, all-employee profit-sharing scheme based on a pot equivalent to 7% of BA’s annual operating profit per year and (ii) the introduction of a voluntary sharesave scheme. ....” |
Can't comment on which type they use these days. However I can comment on the first bit. Don't believe those people. There is no truth in it what so ever. Even looking from an economic point of view, the assessment isn't cheap for BA. Why let people go through all the stages of the selection if they only want rated people to save costs while we need people ASAP. I guess for those who unfortunately didn't make the grade this time around it is easier to blame it on the system.
During the assessment they will verify the earlier assessment stages (your personality), see how you interact with your colleague and lastly how quickly you can learn new things. From what I remember when I did it, it is hard work however the instructors are going the extra mile to make it as pleasant as possible. Good luck!!! |
Originally Posted by VOR.DME
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At a risk of going off topic from the above, does anyone have any details regarding the Stage 3 process? I've got a date booked and have heard from a number of people who have been through the process (those who gained successful offers were already rated on a type in the current BA fleet, those who were unsuccessful were rated on other ac types). Also, with the 767 now retired, will the process still be conducted In the 767 sim for the foreseeable? Any clarification appreciated. Thanks everyone! |
Not involved in that area but have been in TBC a fair bit lately, the 767 sim has been chocca with assessments. It was being sold but that fell through and tbh BAFT are making an absolute fortune selling it to third parties. I believe it’ll be the default sim assessment tool for the foreseeable while the 747 sims are busy with conversions. |
Originally Posted by wiggy
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...and back to pay and those who were asking about any possible rises in the near future...hot off the press, this is from a joint union statement (from BALPA plus UNITE plus the GMB) released earlier today: “ The joint unions are therefore seeking to agree the following increases: RPI+1.75% (or 5% if higher) from 1-Jan-19; RPI+1.5% from 1-Jan-20 and RPI+1.25% from 1-Jan-21. We also believe BA is able to give staff a much larger share in the success of the business, aligning the interests of the company, its shareholders and staff. To achieve this aim, the joint unions are seeking to agree (i) an enhanced, all-employee profit-sharing scheme based on a pot equivalent to 7% of BA’s annual operating profit per year and (ii) the introduction of a voluntary sharesave scheme. ....” They'll be over-run with applications with news of our wopping pay rise :ok: (well the ambitious starting point, anyway :E) |
Originally Posted by MikeAlpha320
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They'll be over-run with applications with news of our wopping pay rise :ok: (well the ambitious starting point, anyway :E)
Agreed. It'll depend what can be negotiated bonus wise but tbh I'd rather just have to cash in my pay rather than have a bonus linked to figures that can be manipulated. The backstop of 5% is OK but fairly unambitious given our current unprecedented levels of profitability. I'd have gone in at 10% with a view to being chipped down a bit to 7% or so. Given the rapid deterioration in our fundamental t's and c's over the last few years I'm more concerned what the company are going to make BALPA give away in return. That said, there are limited big ticket items left to go for. |
The 767 sim will be kept and used up until the point we need another sim bay - they already have started installing the 350 sim, so nothing on the imminent horizon
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Has anyone any idea when DEP will open up again for applications ? |
How will LEVEL coming to Gatwick affect things there?? Routes, a/c based and crew?? |
You appear to know something we don’t... |
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