easyJet FO Pay - continental bases
 

Just wondering what the average starting wages/take home pay I for crews based abroad. In particular what do they start on after the move from flexi to permanent jobs abroad after tax on average?

The French contract is around E78,000 basic and E35 a sector plus uniform dry cleaning allowance. European colleague's pocket between E6000-6500 a month after social security...but under the French system the French have to pay there own tax at the end of the tax year which is about E7000 this is low as there social security is quite high. SFO >1500 hrs.....Captains pocket between E11000-12000 a month after social security, E126,000 basic.

Italian contract is similar but a lower basic, higher sector pay, they pocket good money but work hard for it.

As for Madrid....well!!

We fly for the same company but have different unions...the French have the SNPL, they no like they strike :=:=

Those figures are, sadly, incorrect.

Work on 5K for Senior FO (junior FO is less) and 8k for a Capt and you wont be disappointed.

As for SNPL they have done a one day strike in six years.

The new PARC 2 year fixed term Berlin contract will get you around 1,800 €/month after tax and social security. Great, eh.

So go elsewhere. I would genuinely let someone else do this job for that money. How can people even repay their loans? Life's too short.

The figures are correct for your take home pay each month. SFO on french social security 6-6.5k. On UK NI, averaging 7.3-7.6k.

Unfortunately you've missed the boat now for the UK NI option. But the French figures are correct (and you get in on their excellent pension scheme). Please be advised these figures are BEFORE tax.
If you work on 6-8k per year in tax you won't go far wrong.

Any questions PM me.

Calypso I know I'm correct ;) as reiterated by 'i love twins'. If HR wouldn't of gotten rid of BOB I could prove it via the contract.
Come loyalty bonus month each year I've heard of Captains from Madrid and Paris pocketing well over 20K.

Getting rid of BOB was one of the best things they ever did!!

Bob Trousers is still at LGW right? They need to keep that Bob, he's a gent. :ok:

He sure is, what a great guy!

Captain Spam Can, you are on the money concerning France, but...
SFO: 7300€/month before tax, if you are on UK NI, you can't be on French tax so you have to pay according the treaty between the UK and your country of residence. (eg 30% if you are a UK resident up to 50% if you live in some other countries). So take home 3700€-4900€ (2900£-3800£) and almost NO pension at all, company pension 0, UK state pension if you pay for more than 11 years, which may be impossible due to the new EU law.
This new law now puts you on French social security, pay BEFORE tax 5800€, after taxes, depending on your country of residence, 2700-3300€ (2100-2800£) but good French pension, if the system still exists when you retire.
If you are a French resident take home +/-5000€/month after taxes and good pension.

MXP SO (sub-1500 factored and fATPL) take-home after tax between €4000-5000 depending on how hard you work. A zero hour month nets €2700 basic.

Basic increases by about €600 per month when FO, then when SFO (2500 factored and management approval) you will get about another €600 on the FO basic.

-ish!! :)

but the question is more, as new joiner on parc or flexi crew contract, what are your chances to get an ezy contract?

Nil - no chance - zero

Spicejetter have you joined easyJet as a Flexi FO? There are guys being stood down over the winter and there have been no assessments for permanent contracts abroad for a long time now.

To be fair, the last assessments were in march.
Theyve just accepted apicationa for Gva and Bsl with easy Swiss and mainland Europe is rumoured to be opening again soon.. So there are opportunities.

Required hours on type
 

Will they change the required 500 hours on type to lower ones?

ArmApp, they will only do something like that if they can't find enough applicants with 500 hours or more which is pretty unikely. 500 seems standard.

EdamSurprise, if that is so, then that is good for those effectively at the top of the flexicrew pile for assessment, but still means nothing for anybody joining Flexicrew now.

Hello!

I am flying for Wizzair and I am thinking about to apply for this easyjet position. do you think it is a better job? because 1800 euro after tax is a joke, isn´t it?
What will you earn if you are based in Berlin? I have seen you get 67 euro per block hour. so you can expect 5000 euro before tax. Is that correct?

ML
"I have seen you get 67 euro per block hour. so you can expect 5000 euro before tax"

If you don't mind me asking, where have you seen that?

The pay is 52 euros per block hour as the final step, I believe. It starts at forty-something initially, I think. You will most likely not fly more than 700 block hours per year, so you get 700 x 52 € = 36.400 €/year. Using Lohn- und Einkommensteuerberechnung you get about 1.900 €/month net. You are probably better off at wizzair.

Really Annoyed, does that figure you quote take into account the FOs employed via an agency who have just relocated at very short notice and have been told to expect 25 hours per month during the winter?

If you have more than 1500 factorized hours you get 67€ per hour.
Two close friends of mine on Parc contract flew 700 hours last year, getting in average 3000 euro after tax. Uk base.

ReallyAnnoyed,

Using phrases like, "I believe", "probably", "most likely" and "I think" you have come up with retarded figures and then actually taken the time to put those retarded figures into a database. You then produced a take-home figure right out of your ass which other posters are now asking your opinion on. :}

Why are you posting numbers when you have absolutely no idea?

For a start it's £67 per block hour with Parc, not Euros.

Xulu and Drugo I'm really sorry but you get your facts wrong, recently Parc has moved 35 FOs from the original contract which had a payscale of 50£/€ (currency depending if you were based in UK or Europe) up to 500hrs (factored) then 55£/€ up to 1500 and last step 67£/€ 1500hrs+ to a new German contract they had to come up with since the old contract with Parc in Ireland paying UK Taxes has been banned from Germany. Said new contract is with a German division of Parc lasting 2 years and the figures ReallyAnnoyed gave are correct, since everybody who's achieved 500hrs is on a 52€ per hour pre tax with no chance to offset any expense as the UK based Parc guys are doing. No more old contracts in Berlin, only the new 2 years with lower pay scale.

XuLu
I suggest you get at least one of your facts right before leaping into any thread all-guns-blazing. If you’ve actually seen the UK contract you are referring to, you should have noticed exact parity between the UK rates in pounds, and the so-called Euroland rates. However, you should also know these rates are only applicable to UK contracts, and do not apply to those unfortunates who have recently been shifted (perhaps shafted would be more appropriate) off to Berlin on a new contract.

The rates quoted by ReallyAnnoyed are spot on, so I suspect that the reason he has used the vague terms you referred to, is because he is actually personally involved but doesn’t want to admit to that fact for obvious reasons.

The take-home figures are not right out of any part of his anatomy, as you so crassly put it. They are correct, and due to the fact that since June 2012, anyone working in EU member states now legally has to pay tax and social security in the country where they live and work, not the country where their employer or agency is based. In the case of Germany, this amounts to:

1) Up to 45% of your gross earnings in tax, depending on level of earnings.
2) A further 5.5% of your tax liability in ‘solidarity tax’ to help stabilise the Euro
3) Between 8% and 9% of your gross in church tax, if you admit to being a Christian.
4) Compulsory 15.5% of your gross on health insurance
5) 1.2% of your gross on compulsory long-term care insurance
6) 9.75% of your salary in pension contributions.

The tax/insurance calculation link posted by RA will confirm the above, as will any Google search on the subject.

The guy from Wizz, asked a question, and RA gave him a considered and honest answer, so why guys like you feel the urge to lob a grenade at him for that, is beyond me!

I was just trying to be helpful. I am not directly involved, as I am a captain on a normal contract, but I thought it useful to inform outsiders of the numbers I have been presented. Granted, it is hearsay, as I have not been presented with such a contract myself, but I believe what my FOs tell me on the subject. The vague language used was, thus, quite on purpose.

I thought it was clear that the numbers are for the new German PARC contract and not the old UK one.

RA - Sorry for jumping to conclusions about your personal involvement. So as your post was purely altruistic, and you do not have any particular axe to grind, there is even less reason for you to be 'blasted' by someone who clearly has. :ok:

So basically the days of doing a year of flexi crew then moving away for great money are over if your take home pay is poor.

Would anyone recommend a British FO staying in the UK (once past 1500hrs) on a flexi contract forever or would it be better to move to the continent (excluding the SXF Parc contract).

It just doesn't seem worth it having all of the hassle of moving to another country!

The very fact that 25 guys were prepared to sign this contract (as they had no real choice) and move country at short notice will have the management licking their lips.

You can guarantee that the next contract offered will be worse still and you can also guarantee that the next 25 guys will sign it - as they have no real choice.

Welcome to the Brave New World!

Fork handles: - A trivial point, but I understand it was 35 not 25. Nevertheless, I'm sure you are spot on with your assessment and prediction.

People,

The question was asked for someone thinking about coming from Wizzair. The only option for this person is to accept a uk base on a uk contract as flexicrew, paid in GBP, in the next round of recruitment.

There is no more temporary basing for flexicrew in Europe, he will not be put there. The berlin base has been crewed from current flexicrew, so not him.

I am fully aware of the German contract as several friends have been moved onto it, but that will not apply in this case. The contract is structured differently anyway and cannot simply be compared in an hourly rate.

Amongst so much mis-information, it is quite frustrating to present the facts for tbis person only for them to be dismissed.

Carry on.

Ok, I think it’s now fairly well established that the take-home pay of the guys in Berlin is about 1900 euros on a good month, which equates to about £1500 at the current exchange rate. Some of them have 10 year bank loan repayments of £1200 a month. Yes, I know it’s their own stupid fault, they should have done their homework properly, they’ve only got themselves to blame, nobody sympathises….blah, blah, blah …. nonetheless, it is, what it is now.

… So on my calculations, that leaves ten quid a day in their back pocket, which should just about pay for their food if they eat cheaply. At least they won't have to resort to the soup kitchen. However, it looks like they might end up having to sleep rough in a doorway somewhere, or on some Good Samaritan's floor or couch. Alternatively, they might be better off dossing down in the SFX departure lounge spread-eagled across three or four seats under a blanket. Then at least it would be warm and they wouldn’t need to thumb a lift to work every morning, as they could just roll out of bed. Be quite handy for standby too. If they kept their uniforms on, it would also be great publicity for Easy, and show the paying public what a fantastic effort they have made to keep the ticket price down!.

To the guy at Wizz, who asked the original question about applying for an Parc/Berlin position, I think the answer must by now be fairly self-evident. SFX is the closest EZY base to Siberia, and being posted there on a **** contract (particularly in winter) is the equivalent of being sent down the salt mines. If you are still determined to jump ship from Wizz, make sure it’s to an employer or agency who actually has some scruples. Any company who knowingly and deliberately inflicts this sort of hardship on their contractors / employees, and dresses it up as "an exciting challenge" needs to be given a very wide berth indeed. :=

Xulu,

Fair enough.

But my point is that management are realising that even when offering contracts that do not pay enough to live on people will still "volunteer". Do you really think that they will pay more than they need to?

I think that the next offer of contracts may well make the Berlin contract seem generous. The man from Wizz needs to know what he may be facing should he jump ship.

Why would they not decrease it further if people are still accepting the T&Cs, and more people yet are queuing up to commence initial training?

Thanks guys for all answers. I am German and so I would like to go back to Germany.
The 67 Euros are correct if you have more than 1500 hours. It is stated in the sheet from parc aviation. Anyway I will think about it to apply. Here in Wizz I have permanent contract and maybe an upgrade in one year...and then salary should be ok ;)

I don't think the public will care too much. They can't relate to a "little plane" crashing in upstate New York as Chantelle and Kyle are waiting to board their large orange Airbus. All they care about are cheap flights to Benidorm and two bottles of rosé for £7. Very sophistiqué!

Does anyone have information regarding how likely it is that EZY will enforce a base change?

How likely is it? It has happened and I believe their wording is 'due to operational requirement'.