India to ease out foreign pilots!
 

Bad news! It seems that India plans to ease foreign pilots out of the country’s aviation sector within two years.

India To Ease Out Foreign Pilots

Foreign pilots are expensive, same goes for other Asian nations or ME nations. If they had their own, they would by far prefer to hire locals.

It is only a matter of time before India catches up and has their own pilots, or other Asian nations. China is putting record numbers of people through flight schools within China, as well as in flight schools in the U.S. They eventually will catch up as well. Only thing they will lack is some experienced captains as the article states, but with time that problem will begin to be solved as well. Then where are going to be the jobs that pay decent? Then where are the hundreds of expats out there going to go? Once this starts happening on a bigger scale, which is in fact still years away, but in the future no less. The job market for pilots in Europe and the U.S, Aus, or any other developed nation, will be completely tragic. People will literally be working for a piece of bread, with requirements for A32O FO being 1,000PIC widebody time. :E

Just spotted this on CNN:

Not welcome in India: Foreign pilots | CNNGo.com

Perhaps the DCGA are upset about dwindling income from the foreign pilots who do not need & are not willing to pay 'tributes' in small brown envelopes to grease the squeaky wheels of bureaucracy.

Chaps, relax... The expats arent leaving anytime soon. We need you guys :cool: :ok:

The DGCA announces that its gonna phase out all expats and then a month later extends the deadline in a low key event.

This has been happening for the past few years.

Highly paid? Not from where a lot of expat pilots sit...and what will lower the bar is the fact that many in India will happily work for much less...and the government, the DGCA and these companies are counting on that! Not great for the industry...:=

Indian orign pilots should be phase out from every country!
 

Indian pilots are flying in many countries and nobody is looking to phase them out! Only in India the foreign pilots are the most hated even the government and the DGCA of India wants to phase them out.

Contrary Indian should be phase out from everywhere! :\

DGCA plans to phase out expat pilots by 2013 |

Look the happy face of the DGCA director...

Business Line : Industry & Economy / Logistics : DGCA plans to phase out expat pilots by 2013

The specific issue apart, I do feel that a higher dose of reciprocity in the general treatment of expats would not be amiss :ok:

The aim of every airline is to localize their work force for obvious reasons, its not that India hates these expats.

In all honesty who can work in Europe? Who can work in the US? Who can work in Canada? Who can work in Australia or New Zealand? People who have the right to work there and no one else.

Most countries ONLY allow people to work there who are from there or have the legal right to get employment without sponsorship.

I am not saying that I agree that India can cope without expats, I don't think they can, but most places in the world only hire from within.

If thats your logic for phasing out Indian origin pilots then all the pilots from the US , Canada , Australia , most EU countries etc should also be phased out from the foreign countries that they are flying in ( eg : middle east )
Since none of these countries accept foreign pilots as well :hmm:


P.S : I do not have anything against foreign pilots nor do i believe that they take away jobs that belong to us ( its not like we are outsourcing the flying to a foreign airline ) .
Dont worry guys this is not the first time the DGCA has set a deadline to phase out foreign pilots
The last 2 deadlines were extended and this one will most likely be extended as long as the airplanes keep coming

Not doable. And if they did, expect a rise in incidents and accidents. Think we all know of those incompetent first officers, some of them who bribed their way to a CPL.

Airlines in India are exapanding like anything, and its all just BS, India has to get expats to fly their A/c.....in 2013, this deadline will extend to 2015 or 2016 and keep on going like this...

Yes… airlines within India would prefer to have their own citizens at the controls of their aircraft… and why not? Airlines within India are on a major expansion mode at this time with large orders from Boeing and Airbus. The carriers within India have more airplanes on their property than qualified captains to fly their equipment.

Naturally, any company wants a return on their investment. Their investments do not make money sitting on the ground. Let’s face it, leasing companies want their due without delay or interruption.

At the end of the day, there is really no conundrum here. There are not enough qualified pilots to fly their new shiny aircraft. So enter the expat, not only in India, but look at China, Korea, Africa, and the Mideast.

The expat is not out to replace the citizens within these countries. Expats fulfill a need for airlines, not only in India but in many countries too. Expats will be phased out, not by the DGCA, but by the airlines once they have pilots from within their own countries qualified to assume command.

Let’s face it… with the DGCA’s ridiculous assisted takeoff and landing list, outdated exams, arduous requirements for the locals to become pilots, the services of the expat is not going to diminish for the foreseeable future. It would be great if the masses within India could stand up to the DGCA and tell them to $hit in their hats and demand immediate reform.

By the way... expats were a big part of commercial aviation within the EU during the past 8 years too.

Let them step into the cockpits......Let them fly.......they are going to reduce their population......not bad!:E

@OXOGEKAS340

I dint want to bring this up but cant help it. 1 major accident and 1 major incident in the recent years in India. Who were the captains on both the occasions? Expats. If anything the expats come to India and reduce its population.

I don't intend to hurt or offend anyone but certain people over here can be dealt with only in a harsh manner.

You want to make this an " Expat is better than a local " thread then bring it on. :E

You need to do something PPRUNE TOWERS
 

Unless you accept and condone what OXOGEKAS340 has posted and want this forum to again degenerate into a slanging match with no winners, you need to intervene and get OXOGEKAS340 off pprune, unless he apologises to one and all on this forum.

A discussion is OK but comments like OXOGEKAS340 has posted have no place here.

Waiting and Watching!

Wow, what a pointless discussion!

The dgca does not decide when to phase out expats ... The airlines do ... The dgca comes out with this crap eveyr year to fill some garbage in the local newspapers.

The expats will be around for a long long time to come.

I agree reciprocation is a great idea.

The ICAO validation process playing field could be leveled up.

Take the visa nonsense for eg., India, Australia to mention just 2, insist every nationality, (apart from there own) have a visa to enter those countries. Consequently every other country puts the same visa stipulations with those nationalities mentioned above.

The greatest enermy to young Indian pilots is the DGCA, not the expat. Until public opion changes in India the DGCA will remain destroyers and not creators.

Very well put weido_salt. That was the point I was trying to make in my post above.

The DGCA in its present form needs to be vaporized and rebuilt from the gound up.

The Unions and Indian Carriers, who wish to see more of their fellow counrymen in their cockpits need to take affirmative action in shaking and waking up the Indian Government to rid their country of their DGCA as it exists today.

The unions are not anti expat... they just want to level the playing field, as their latest protest pertaining to medical requirements for the expats.

As for the statement made by OXOGEKAS340... very disappointing, ingnorant, racist, and unbecoming of a member of our profession.

The biggest problem you will find with this statement is that Indian pilots working in foreign countries only do so because those foreign countries (UAE, Qatar, Singapore) could not source locally at some point in time. As all of these countries will will need foreigners to sustain growth for some time to come, throwing only the Indians out would of course not work because there would be nothing to gain as you'd be hard pressed to find an Emirati, Qatari or Singaporean pilot who wants to work in India. I.e. there is no benefit associated with receiving the same and fair reciprocal treatment.

There's a cardinal rule in Indian Aviation, Don't EVER let the DGCA get under your skin. These are pen pushing "babus" who hate pilots. Every once in a while they need to come out and puff their chest out and talk big about getting rid of foreign pilots in order to appease the public who have no idea why the foreign pilots are there. Both the public, and also some in the DGCA, are so unknowledgeable about aviation that they don't understand why the foreign pilots are around. They think that these foreign pilots have simply showed up and taken the place of Indian pilots for no good reason.

You can't let this get to you, they've talked about getting rid of foreign pilots before and they'll do it again. At the end of the day the airlines will decide based on their needs, the DGCA don't have a clue about aviation so I wouldn't get all emotional or angry over the comments they make.

With the huge growth in aviation in India (double the GDP) and with hundreds of aircraft on order the expats will be around for quite a few years.
The DGCA should be more worried about the safety and training standards than phasing out expats.

From article above:

Seems to be a bit of confusion on the whole issue of who is what?! :E Or do they mean they don't have any pilots at all with "sufficient experience"?

:}

This is the usual DGCA/Govt of India BS. They just say what the people want to hear.. "we will phase out expats and replace them with Indians". Such deadlines have been made in the past and they just keep extending them. In fact almost every airline in India is currently recruiting expats for various fleets with a 3 year contract. So an expat who joins in 2011 would have his contract till 2014.

With hundreds of aircraft on order I would not be surprised to see the number of expats go up in the future. I hope the command upgrades are done only if one deserves it and is capable rather than just to replace an expat. That is what the DGCA should be more worried about.

Wherever and whenever there is a local supply shortage, you make good with imports. If imports are more expensive then local products, their days become numbered. If they are cheaper, then that puts pressure on the local suppliers to cut their prices. That had always been the case and will probably always be so. Witness the car manufacturing industry, motocycle manufacturing and the rag trade. There are exceptions and reversals. Take for example Indian phone farms. Some of their business is moving back to Britain - because of costs!

Other reasons for 'kicking out the gringos' are cultural, some are organisational and others just purely racially motivated. This is particular story is probably about cost and organisational issues. But dealing with expats is a pain in the arse. I know 'cos I was one once. I'd like to think that I was an ambassador for my country but three of my colleagues (not all Brits) were complete and utter (expensive) pains!

they have so many indian pilots ready top pay a fortune, why they need expats?

when they guy come with 50'000 $ for 300h? (pay to fly, P2F)

of course, airlines want their expats out so they don't have to pay locals anymore.
why we came to this point? because some idiots start to do it(to prostitute themselves), and P2F is going to be everywhere :ugh:.

I told you!

FLYJET787

"I dint want to bring this up but cant help it. 1 major accident and 1 major incident in the recent years in India. Who were the captains on both the occasions? Expats. If anything the expats come to India and reduce its population."

It is true.....because the majority of those are sitting on the right side....:mad:

flyingsolo...
Do you know the word "democracy"?
I am free to say my opinion .
I was flying in your country for 5 years.....and I got many white hair, since....
Not a good experience, I can say.
And I want to assure you, that i am not willing to apologize , for what I wrote yesterday. :\

Democracy
 

Yes, I know Democracy. But it does not give you the right to say just whatever you want.

Or you must also be agreeing with the JIHADIS and their utterances and must be defending them to your family and friends.

Anyway, I do not wish to get into a slanging match with you. You seem to be a man with a lot of strong convictions, right or wrong.

See captjns post also.

God look after your passengers and crew.

P.S. Maybe it is time for you to go home. I say this not because you are an expat, but only as a friendly advice. Why stay in a stressful situation if you have a choice.

you never know

OXOGEKAS340 might be a desperate wannabe who is jealous of 20 years old that gets in the right seat of a 777 straight from the flight school.

vserian

Good luck to the 20 year old.

What does concern me a lot with a a F/o straight out of flying school in the RHS of any high performance or heavy aircraft, is this.

Are they getting the unassisted landing practice, to get the aircraft down safely in the event of incapacitation in the LHS?

Do they have the over all air experience to intervene when the guy in the left hand seat is screwing up?

I think the answer to the above will be no, in a lot of cases.