Flybe Recruitment
 

Hi,

Good to see that Flybe are taking applications again.

Has anyone else had problems with the website though?

KT

Yes I can't complete the application, I have a lot of different errors, but, in the other hand I can load my old application :\. I believe that we have to wait some days until they willl complete all the process deleting the old applications. :hmm:

27th May 2011

PILOT RECRUITMENT
Flybe does not have any current requirement for direct entry Captains or First Officers. However in hopeful anticipation of future recruitment plans we have made some changes to our on line recruitment system.
All existing applications will be deleted.
If you have previously applied and are still interested in a pilot's position with Flybe we would be most grateful if you could take the time to reapply, using the new system. Once your application is made and registered you will be able to keep it updated.
Should you experience any technical difficulties with the new application system please email [email protected] - thank you
FLIGHT CREW RECRUITMENT

Just tried again and now it works:-).

I wonder how long before the ball start rolling?

Has this got anything to do with the FlyDubai recruitment drive;-).

KT

Panic stations I reckon. I've heard of a number of resignations this month. Got to be more to follow if the nonsense continues.

Good luck to everyone who applies. Interesting times.

News from within is that they have lost 5-15 guys very recently, the belief is that many more will follow whilst the company continue to treat crews like something they stepped in.

This will be welcome news to recent graduates, and those looking for a start in the industry.

Goodluck to all those hoping for a start. Make sure you join Balpa once your in though....

I think this just highlights what we all really knew about Flybe's shonky "management" tactics.

Redundacies indeed! Pathetic.

So where have you all read about the 5 plane reduction? BALPA? And is that for the winter season or immediate effect now?

And also, how many people would that be? 10 per plane?...so 50 people starting from the end of the seniority list? so ....50 F/O´s basically then?... :ooh:

They have recently taken delivery of 3 new dash 8 at least which they have not crewed for. This combined with the new jets arriving in June onwards means that we are still increasing the fleet. I also believe that Jedi the oldest aircraft that was due to go soon has also gone. Company bulls:=It to scare the pilots during the pay negotiating. The company was great to work for a few years ago, but all that was good has crumbled. I am a senior FO and would love to stay, but at the end of the day money counts when you have a family and the pay is not fantastic.

As far as I know the Dashes that were supposed to arrive from now are not even coming anymore. I heard a while ago that they had actually sold 5 airplanes to some airline....which seems to be confirmed now, but is this confirmation about planes leaving the fleet from BALPA from the ACAS meetings? :sad:

BALPA have not at any point said anything about fleet reduction, that has all come from PBM spin and CP newsletters

Everyone calm down, just read JF's last newsletter which restates a lot of stuff already released to the SE in the last trading update.

I'm paraphrasing but basically, "flat year on year seat capacity in the core UK market 2011-12".

In other words, no net increase or decrease in seats. Any Dashes out must therefore be replaced by Jets in.

Redundancies? Hands up who thinks we're overcrewed?

sdryh, not correct. This is what is happening:

7 Dash 8's leaving the fleet.

JECS
JECT
JECU

The reason these 3 are leaving is because we own them, they are not leased.
Then these are leaving too:

FLBF
FLBG
FLBH
FLBx

FLBF is in service
FLBG is parked in EXT and is being used as AOG
FLBH is being picked up from Canada within the next week and will not enter service.

So basically 4 Dash 8s that are in service are leaving the fleet, and 3 that are not in service will be leaving too. They are off to South African Express I believe.

The 4 Dash 8s that are in service will be replaced this year by 4 x EMB175s, an overall net reduction in fleet of zero.

CC

DEC
 

Do you think they will take DEC on the dash.

Spoke with a colleague today and he told me that DEC are needed at MAN and BHX.

Thanks Hudson.

I think your colleague is winding you up!

The number of FOs that are ready for command is as long as your arm. That said that list will be getting shorter and shorter from both ends.

DEC will not happen unless there are no FOs to fill the command spaces. Frankly, that is a long way from happening. The DASH is not a rating other airlines want just yet, unless you are willing to to pay for a TR. How many FOs went to Jet2??? Maybe 2?? When the tap runs dry of pre-rated pilots for other airlines, then maybe we will be back in 2006/7 again. Plenty of FOs are being re-bonded again for 3 years now that the E175s are arriving. So unless they are going to jump bonds, i think the command upgrades will be fed internally for some time.

Not a chance in hell. BBB has it right. Until there is a mass walkout (which will happen sometime) there will not be a need for DEC, and looking at how many SFOs and F/Os going through the command system at the moment there won't be any need for DEC for a considerable time to come.

Coffin Corner
 

thanks for reply. That is what I am hearing. Want to stay LHS, so that limits me somewhat until there is a real need in the market.

mass walkout (which will happen sometime)
 

I have heard that so many times, at so many different airlines all over the world and never seen it. I guess it depends on your definition of a mass walkout - 10%, 20% of the pilot population over a month, a year?

Flydubai taking 600 pilots! If true, that's from a worlwide pilot base. How many from the UK, how many from Flybe? I dont think Flybe management are losing any sleep over a mass walkout and therefore dont expect much hiring.

You obviously weren't around in 2005/6 when we were losing 10% of the workforce every month? I've seen it, and it'll happen again.

So if my maths is correct, after 10 months Flybe had turned over its entire pilot workforce.

Sorry, I was and I dont recall that.

When I joined there were 30-35 resignations per month with total pilot workforce at approx 300... (if my maths is correct I make that about 10%)
Didn't happen for 10 months in a row obviously and they were recruiting to plug the hole... Then the 3ryr pay deal magically appeared.

proceeding outbound

You're just being pedantic and nick picking over the figures for the hell of it, maybe you have nothing better to do, but you know damn well we were losing more F/Os per month than we could recruit. We were so short of captains & F/Os to upgrade that we had to open up DEC. Even post merger we were hiring DEC. I'd call that a mass walk out from where I come from.

nick picking over the figures for the hell
 

If you say so!

I agree there was a very high staff turn over for a while but still not a mass walkout in my books. If you call 30 - 35 pilots leaving a large airline a "mass walkout" then so be it, I just dont agree. And with not much sign of business improving its unlikely you will see a mass walkout any time soon (if ever) in anyones interpretation.

So for the forseable future, Flybe management are holding all the cards (and only small numbers will be recruited (and definately no DEC's)).

Enough said, shall we move on?

30-35 per month - yes I call that pretty damn big.

We move on ;)

sorry to intrude on a private bun fight
 

But have to agree with coffin. I reckon Flybe must have had close to 200 resignations over the 12 month period around the merger from a combined workforce of what, 650ish. A training airline expects a turnover, but that's not insignificant.
The fact that bases were being overcrewed to give DECs the base of their choice as an enticement shows just how desperate things were.

Back on topic, how much emphasis will they place on the "Recency of 50 flying hours in the last rolling 12 months"?

For an f/ATPL that's pretty hard to achieve if your not made of money, unless you literally just walked right out of flight school.

NukeHunt

To put it plain and simple, it all depends how desperate they get.

There won't be any DEC, there are far too many SFO's waiting for command. At least 110 on the CDP (Command Development Program), consisting of approx. a third of these with a completed PCLA.

You're colleague is winding you up mate. BHX and MAN along with SOU are the most sought after bases. Besides last time DEC happened the ASR's and Flight Safety incidents went through the roof.

People are leaving to go to GulfAir and Aer Lingus for massively better Pay.

Good luck to all the FO's applying.

Or an instructor.

They are clearly favouring those in current flying practice. Which is fair enough.

Really? I was one of the last DEC's and this is news to me.
Had a clear sheet the last two years I popped in to see FSO on my ART course, and believe my compatriates are similar.
Not to spoil a good story...

The ASRs and incidents were more likely from the pairing of low hours FOs and min hours Captains that the company had to resort to before it bit the bullet and went for DECs.
Be a long wait before the supply of SFOs dries up this time though...