muh ha ha ha nyah ha ha!! Doubt it.

A few more pilots, longer block times, fewer 25 minute turn arounds, and 'fire-breaks' between crew rotations: it's working, but not quite enough.

She's making an effort; but will she run out of steam before making a real long term difference? After all, investors live for today, not for tomorrow.

If the £1.2 million shares she was given free on day 2 of her joining go up soon.......as an investor....................

Why would employees downtalk the aspirations of their very own airline on a public forum? Sure, vent your doubts on our private section, but in public? Who pays your wages?

The passengers pay the wages and you only get downtalk if there's a reason for it.

Or they might just be disillusioned with a company that forces it's crew not to take any time off for more than a year and it will approximately 18 months before they can..... :\

Ribena,

Been with easy 5 years and never been " forced " to do anything. You are entitled to your opinion but please try using facts rather than fiction. :)

ROSco328, actually it is a Fact not just my opinion!

As a new joiner to the company through Flexicrew for the first 8 months you are not entitled to leave. After your 8 months you can start to build up a leave entitlement once you have earned up enough time. However, we were blocked from taking leave over the summer period (I do not know about all bases there might be one out there where you could get).

Therefore, if you started last summer and finished your 8 months between Jan-Apr this year you can not take any leave until the Autumn. Hence, why I said you are forced not to take leave for the first 16-18 months within the company (unless you call in sick or fatigued - both of which you do not get paid)

I know this for a fat as I am one, if you know of how I can get some paid leave PLEASE let us know! :ugh:

Surely this was written black on white in your contract, and surely you read it through before you signed it? :ugh:

Absolutely I read the contract! :D And there are many things that are far from ideal with it as I am sure you are aware but I am not going to digress.



However, most contracts (all that I have ever signed) say something along the lines...entitled to 'x' amounts of days per year to be taken subject to availability/agreement etc etc



BUT does that make it SAFE or right that in a western country in the 21st century that there are people out there for 18 months without a vacation or a break.

ribena, I think it's good to draw attention to issues that are far from ideal, but as a former CTC flexicrew pilot for easyJet (now permanent), I must point out that what you say isn't true, there are rules regarding the amount of leave you must take, and from my experience, these are applied. I'm not too sure where you got the 8 months from starting the flexicrew contract figure from.

EpsilonVaz, that is god news that you have got a permanent contract. I apologise if I wasn't clear about how it works but I will try and clear it up as a lot of people are complaining (albeit to ourselves) about this, so I will try and break it down.

1. Afte your type rating / base training / induction day etc you now have an initial 8 months flying (a few yeas ago this was 6 months) where we are not 'officially working' etc and we get £1200 a month living allowance. During this stage we are not allowed any leave. If you join through Parc, you paid from day one and I believe (please correct me if I am wrong as I don't know anybody personally on their contract) you start to earn a holiday entitlement.

2. After your initial 8 months you are transferred fully onto the Flexicrew contract where you get start to get paid by the scheduled block hour. From the start of this contract you also start to earn your leave entitlement ( 28 days per year etc etc).

3. easyJet have 'blacked out' the summer months so we can not get leave by aplying though Nursling during this time. We received a spreadsheet saying when we can/can not apply for leave - (this was defiantly the case at my base).

4. You are right, from what I have seen CTC are applying the rules. But, if you finish your 8 months 'training' in the period between Jan-Apr you can not get any leave until Sep-Oct at the earliest. Which means that you start flying in May 2010, you therefore start the Flexi officially in Feb 11 and because of the restrictions the first leave you can get is Sep 2011 - a total of 16 months sitting in the RHS without a break not including the time in the Sim for Type Rating and then between induction with the training to the first day of line training not base training.

Hopefully that helps clear things up.

Just a few years ago you could join as F/O (or Captain !) and be immedialtely on the 5-4-5-3 roster , no type ratings needed to be paid - just a "bond" for 3 years , and you got , offcourse , straight into your normal F/O's or Capt's salary - even if you had to do the Airbus type rating first.

Unfortunately time has changed thereafter.

So now let's just hope that some day soon this whole cadet-entry crap will be stopped , also because we sometimes have to notice an unhappy cadet and that's not what I come to work with for.

Hopefully management will some day acknowledge this as they are the only ones who can stop this (as there will always be a student willing to sign this cadet-contract.)

So, heading back to the original aim of this thread, does anyone "in the know" expect there to be any D/E SFO recruitment in the near future, and will there be reasonable upgrade opportunities due to the lack of experience in the present F/o ranks?

Thanks in anticipation.

I was at an airline recruitment fair this week and the peeps at the Easy Jet stand said there would be DE F/O recruitment this autumn. They said that they expected to be inundated with applications so would have set hours requirements.

Regards

As well as a valid A320 type rating. Probably the exact same requirements as their Easyjet Swiss add, A320 with 500 hrs on type sounds plausible...

they can ask for 1,500 hours on type and they will have an 'overbooking'

They indicated that a TR would not be one of the requirements. They would not get many of the Military guys they were talking to if they did.

Regards

As far as I know flexicrew don't get paid leave, end of, period. You can take unpaid leave however it isn't available during the summer months when it's all hands on deck. This is because you're working as a contractor - so essentially are self employed.

I'm not sure I buy into this huge queue of experienced FOs waiting to join seeing as many many 3 stripers are leaving for BA, etc. I guess there's the people who can't apply to BA but there are still very attractive jobs in other places.

Flexicrew get paid leave and are employed by CTC.

Not all flexicrew are CTC, some are with Parc, and they do not get paid leave neither they are employees of EZY, Parc or CTC

Apologies, my post was based on second hand info. Seems like EZY's "leave" allocation towards CTC or Parc flexi is similar though: company wants all it's contractors working the busy season.

so lucky : they have leave...... :) eheh... and even a salary ? that's really a good deal ... lucky boys...


19th Century conversation.....:{
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Personally, I don't believe superced was ever employed by anyone. But there you go.

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You paid for your own rating, and no one would employ you.
You tried to pay for line training, but still no luck.
You tried every A320 operator, but nothing.

You then got accepted by eJ, and got into the holding pool.
You got a job, in Milan. You applied for Orly, and...
You got a transfer to Orly.

You then started on a full time negative campaign against the one organisation that provided you with your much needed career break. You continued, relentlessly - attacking anything you could (mostly citing "slavery").

Finally, with much relief from all concerned, you got a job elsewhere (you are no longer on the Orange pages).

Can you not see that actually easyJet did you a massive favour, and gave you the chance that no others did? Slagging eJ off even after you have left is not that clever.

Aviation is a small world, :mad: never forget that.

Go on 100% tell us where superced is now working as it must be the Pilots version of paradise, one on 7 off maybe and he/she would still whine....

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Hundred Percent Please.

Great post. You are absolutely correct.

Superced is not living in the real world.:ugh::ugh::ugh::mad::ugh::ugh:

I think that say's alot............

Harsh - I don't know. True - well, I simply looked back at his posts on this very forum from the past. You can do it too, if you want; it's all there for anyone to read.

EDIT: Craggenmore, I was responding to your comment which stated that I was being harsh. I see now that you have changed that to something quite different.

100% - you didn't paint EJ in the best light there..!

Craggen,

eJ's recruitment policy (2008 on) has come under much criticism from many people, including the army of people that have been excluded by it.

With luck we will soon see an easing back to the old policy.

100% is painting it the way he or she sees it. I admire the objectivity and also join them in the desire to see EZs recruitment policy changed. I wish that there was a similar possibility with my lot!

Superced has been well summed up and really deserves little (certainly a lot lot less than he/or she believes to be owed). Off to find your utopia in the sandpit then? Bonne chance!!!!!

Superced did not pass the EK selections.

Superced was representative of a small but vocal minority at easyJet who have hated every single company they have ever worked for. His recruitment by easyJet was an enormous error of judgement and I am absolutely delighted he has left to another company he will come to hate and despise too.

With the notable exception of the Berlin-based pilots, who have their own particular battle with the company that shows no signs of ending, you will find few pilots at easyJet these days who hate the company, including the ones who are leaving for BA. Quite understandably, as young men in their early twenties, they are attracted by the full career opportunities on offer there, and everyone wishes them well. Nonetheless, if you cannot fly for a national carrier from a young age, easyJet is a great place to be instead. The area we have most got wrong is the flexicrew issue and the lack of recruitment of experienced but non-rated pilots from the military, turboprop outfits etc. There are signs that will change by the end of the year, but the big unknown is how many pilots we will actually need. There has been growing resentment among the pilot workforce at the constant stream of many hundred 150-200 hour pilots through our doors. The lack of balance in that recruitment stream does us no favours and the sooner it changes the better.

As an aside, we have now offered permanent contracts to every 'suitable' flexicrew pilot who has worked more than eighteen months for us so we are slowly getting there.

Regarding the subject of the thread, anybody joining easyJet any time soon believing they will get a quick command should be very wary. There is every sign that our fleet expansion is grinding to a halt, and that is the primary driver for recruitment. Yes, there are people leaving, but not by the hundreds as has been reported. I do not have the exact figures but I believe we have had around 165 promotions this last year. Nobody knows next year's plan yet, but I will be surprised if it is as many as that - and we will comfortably have that number of First Officers to promote from our current pilots.

NSF, I think you'll find that there are very few pilots at SXF who "hate The Company" per se.....most I fly with come to work with a good attitude (hell, some even still do flap 3 landings & single-engine taxi) and enjoy a nice day out.

Now "Management"....that is a different matter altogether! :mad:

Strike ballot results will be posted today.

FliegerTiger - whether it is the company or the management that is held in disdain is a very fine distinction from where I sit. Nonetheless, we will no doubt have the opportunity to discuss the issues further on the company forum in private later on. When the ballot result is announced, I and numerous others would be keen to know the specifics of the offer that is being turned down and also what the Berlin crews would regard as an acceptable outcome. Many thanks in anticipation.

I was under the impression it is as a result of the German taxman catching up and demanding german based pilots pay up what they have been avoiding for years.

Thus the pilots are asking for a pay rise to cover the difference.

Not surprisingly easyjet may have told them to swivel.

I could of course be totally wide of the mark.

Yes, St. Nicholas, you are very wide off the mark. The German contract is the cheapest of the euro contracts and the company wishes to make it even cheaper and ignore national laws in Germany under the mantra that we are a lowcost airline. Funny how some think that they are above the law. The company has not been asked for more than the gross pay at the other continental bases (and the extra social costs are lower in Germany than in Spain, France and Italy), but have been offered significantly less. Tax is high in Germany, but that is not per se the company's problem. However, pay is not the main issue being fought in this battle.

Having flown out of SXF on occasions I can attest that they are are all good and reasonable people, and a pleasure to fly with ! :ok:

Dont fall for that divide and conquer thing NSF. :=