Thomson? A career airline? Ask the 100 or so experienced first officers thomson's management got rid of last year to achieve their bonuses their view on that!

There will be 8 757s left in 4 years. 22 new 738s coming over next 2 years - no additional aircraft just replacing Bus and 757. Bus gone by end of summer 2012.

ALL recruitment will be on 738, as 200 pilots will be directed onto this fleet from the 756 and Bus over next 2 years.

Highly unlikley to be permanent contracts - summer only and probably cadet/pay as you fly - basically whatever Management can get away with - which seems quite alot at the moment.

There will be new pay structure with (i think) 2 increments only (year 5 and 10), TBC shortly. Pension - money purchase.

Time to command - somwhere between 15 years and never, depending on whether the Airline reduces down to a 40 aircraft all year operation with buy in from thrid parties for the summer lift. Who knows? Only thing that could change this is the rate of attrition - which if the response to BA's October recruitment was anything to go by could be quite high. Main problem is too many Captains (fall out from the Low Cost project which closed after merger) and relatively young profile in the LHS.

Bases - DSA, CWL, NCL. Forget MAN and LGW.

Roster - you'll be doing max hours over summer - 540 in 6 months. IF you can suss out Carmen you can have some influence over when and where you fly. Winter won't be an issue as you won't be employed then.

Career Airline - no way hose! But its a jet, and interesting flying.

Having been made redundant from TOM last year, I personally have no desire to return. Speaking to mates there I had heard things were on the slide but freezing pay scales and pay to fly will kill the Airline morale dead in the water!! I heard there were 60 pilots with offers from BA, is that true

60 seems excessive, probably more like 10 to 20.

Any ideas on career airlines that give you a decent home life? I'm with FR at the moment and cannot wait to leave.

I think recruitment is coming and a lot sooner than we think. Pay offer out today. Decent uplift to current scales at the expense of new scales for new joiners. New FO salaries, 52k start rising to 62k after 5 years, as long as considered command standard. (details to follow)

If no recruitment, why the rush to sort out new scales?

watch this space.

maybe but the new joiners pay scales were possibly used as a bargaining tool for better scales for those already there.

Are you guys still getting 787s (if they ever finish the testing)? What will happen with your current 767 fleet?

Hi Penworth
I was told by a THOM friend that the Airline Mgmt didn't get the bonus are you sure (Thomson Board apparently did, conquer and divide even at the top):\

I'm alright Jack attitude seems to be backfiring now

Pilots from Canada will be working in the UK bases this summer

Like I said 18 months ago on the BALAP website, AIR2000 pilots hated their management

Thomson, what a good company :mad: by greed

Mr Angry

Like Penworth, it was also my understanding that 'Synergy Bonuses' were paid. Synergy includes redundancy of workforce. :mad:

Big bonuses, its all available on the TUI website. 400k for top dog seems to ring a bell.

I have to say I think the management thoroughly deserve their bonuses this year. We voted to get rid of the defined benefit pensions that over half the workforce enjoyed and got absolutely nothing in return - truly amazing. I guess people voted for this because they thought the manangement would offer a generous pay deal. How naive can you be?

It was vaguely amusing when the the pay offer came out - pay freeze with a integrated trojan horse in the form of a second pay scale. Nothing like guaranteeing a civil war within the pilot workforce in 10 years or so. If you want to be the worst paid B787 Captain in the world then the new scale is for you.

The management are just doing their job, it's up to us to defend ours.

Dexy
 

I would imagine that actually, if you want to be the worst paid 787 FO for two decades, then the new scale is for you.

Pay offer = pay freeze? Um no, it was lower than RPI (currently at 5.5%) and also we had to give up free shares and vote on a new lower payscale, which undoubtedly will be forced upon existing pilots, probably when the Germans buy the rest of the company shares. Plus we still have a huge imbalance of Captains - something like 60 or 70 more Captains than FOs, and although the management tell us we have just the right number of pilots for the summer, you can guarantee that we'll be short. Well it has happened like that every year I've been working for the company!!!

I like others where shafted last year by both the company, balpa and our colleagues. Nobody in that company is interested in anything except themselves. After the merger the tone of the company changed from one of being a career airline to one of whats in it for me.

As far as I can see, everything that is going on is self inflicted.

In all fairness to the aviation world, it's looking like terms and conditions for the middle class are going down full stop. God knows where this diabolical spiral will lead us eventually ................ :eek:

I hear cabin crew are being made redundant - are any pilots?

nick14 - a career airline that gives you a decent home life - sounds like the ultimate oxymoron.

If you want a decent home life best become a shepherd on a hill but you certainly won't find it as a pilot in the airline business now!

Pilot numbers are slightly below requirements for summer 12. That said no recruitment is likely in 2012. Possiby small number in late 13.

The company want to introduce new pay scales for new hire pilots. Something the current pilot workforce is resisting. Unfortuantley this is holding back recruitment but should benefit pilots when they do join.

Catch 22 basically!

UPDATE:
Looks like we will be looking for 12 CTC cadets for the summer.

Be advised though that BALPA are not happy about this, the company has decided not to offer 12 new pilots the T&C's they deserve.

Without making this a CTC slag off thread. CTC cadets excepting to work for less than current pilots will ultimatly only achieve to drive down the T&C's of the exsisting workforce.

As such don't expect a warm welcome....................

If nobody applied then we will recruit 12 pilots on Full salary with type rating paid for and full Pension,health care etc etc.

Plenty of type rated experienced folk in the UK looking for work! I see Monarch have taken a load of cheap CTC cadets too. Seems the only way to get an FO job in the UK these days is through obtaining a CTC mortgage. Hard luck for those already with many hours on Boeing or bus and a full atpl.

Will these guys be paying 9k for their TR then working(?) 8 months of line training earning £1,200 per month like at EZY? Is Flexiscrew coming to TOM too? :ooh:

Monarch have taken 1/2 CTC and half experienced i.e ex-Astreus and Thomas Cook pilots.

If anyone with an 75 rating is looking for a 6 month summer contract, Thomas Cook are looking for several people, this from the CP yesterday.

They may not get a "warm welcome", but I'm sure they will be treated professionally and with respect.

"dont expect a warm welcome"....

I would suggest that the existing experienced Cmdrs instead simply tell the company that they will not fly with these guys until they are payed as they are soposed to be payed according to your agreement...
Dont point your fingers at the new guys for ruining this buisness... they are not the ones who ruined it... WE DID by allowing this to happend.. but i guess it takes less balls to kick downwards on the new guys instead of facing the fact that the WE, the experienced guys, did not stand UNITED...

For sure. I agree 100%

If I thought there was a chance of winning I would urge a fight but too many people are apathetic and I fear there will be no resistance.

I guess I am as guilty as the next man. I know it's wrong but I am too feeble to stand up and be counted.

Of course not. Compared to cadets on temporary contacts, we'd cost far too much to re-employ (ie. reduce the directors bonuses). Never mind that they gave an assurance that we would be considered first if there was to be any recruitment prior to April 2013. :mad:

Penworth, you guys are not forgotten and we are trying our hardest to make sure you are still invited back first when the doors do open.
None of us appear happy with what the company have done, I'm not but am sure that the cc are working on a plan.

Keep on watching.

Built4speed, you must be residing in dreamland as well, then.

The company controls command opportunities - who they want, and when they want - and - there is nothing particularly to stop them recruiting cheap contract Captains for leverage.
Only the resolve of a united workforce can influence events.

That's your First Choice Air 2000 management for you. Predicted this 3 years ago. They are going to fill the place with CTC over the next 5-10 years and then they are going to divide and conquer. Like I said on the BALPA website 3 years ago, Air 2000 First Choice pilots have hated their management for the last 10 years and always told me what a bunch of b@stards they were ? Worst thing that ever happened to Britannia, Thomson was have Air 2s management put in charge. They don't give a !!!! about anyone. They have not even had the courtesy to call any of the 100 + who was made redundant in early 2010 to see if they wanted summer only contract ? Shame on them and shame on all who sit there fat dumb and happy thinking "I'm alright Jack, does not affect me" Well give it 5-10 years and it will. Nothing against CTC or cadets, just the management who think its acceptable to carve the job to the bone, then use and abuse cheap labour.

I predict, that at the end of summer, these guys will be offered contracts on different terms to you and that will be the beginning of the end.

You will soon be another easyJet Ryanair



You lot need to get a grip now before its too late

I always liked black pudding.