Dear Jean- Philippe 68,

You seem to have now changed your mind...in the right way ! A few months ago you did not agree with me to the fact that Low cost are !!!! place to work, and the only thing they can do is to downgrade the conditions and salary of our profession, and make air transport worse and worse to the PAX. I told you, I told you, you and your friends, you have to get out of that ******* !!!! (ryanair, easyjet, wizzair, vueling, skyeurope...) , and please listen to me for god sake, GO TO MAIN AIRLINES like BA, AF-KLM, things like that, you will immediatly stop to complain as your frustration will disapear.

Bonne Chance.


Guillaume (AF) :ok:

ahahahaaha i can agree with you for some things..but I really wish that getting rid of peoples frustrations was as easy as joining a flag carrier! I have heard sooooo many (sometimes absurd) complaints from major carriers pilots.
The difference is that most of low cost airlines pilots will be somewhere else in 10 years hopefully enjoying a new adventure, in a new enviroment, learning new things (this yes is good to get rid of frustrations!).
I have yet to see an AF pilot leaving for a contract in Central America!Having said that, nuageblanc it's very good you found heaven on earth and enjoy it without always comparing your situations to everyone else that is not as lucky (?) as you!

ok I m tired now..I ll go get myself a coffe:} !

:confused::confused: please say again after "ahahahahaha" ?

Anybody objecting when I call nuageblanc a pompous git? :}

...just French :8

Oh dear. Taking money saving to the extreme, without counting the real cost in terms of morale and staff values. It won't pay off in the long term, but it would take a set of strategic long term thinkers to realise this. It sounds like Easy can't afford such thinkers in its management at present - and not just in financial terms.

But he has a point. "Low cost" really means "low overheads". Pilots are overheads.

If pilots are overheads and we need to lower the overheads, then I might just have a plan.

Shorter pilots!

ta da!

Sounds like far too much work; I'm just gonna grab the coffee....I mean get some out of my bag and ask someone to make it for me.....:cool:

is this tea and coffee thing for real. I m always embarrassed when i have to tell friends we ask for 'hot waters'....but thought EasyJet was an example of what working for RYR should be like....but perhaps not. Even with union backing ...

This is depressing..are any carriers actually suitable for long terms careers, where will we be in 20 years time......


'where re doomed'

Tosh.....Flying Clara your initials aren't TM are they? Sounds like you've swallowed the Ezy guide to bad management!

FC,

Your latest post shows how ignorant you are - how do you suggest we get these hazardous liquids past security?

How are we supposed to get those through security?

Have you ever actually worked for an airline? Ten quid says no.

Stop biting Guys and gals!! FC is a wynd up merchant! We do not see it on the private page because it is not an employee.....simpoles!!!:)

Flying Clara I'm assuming for your sake that you don't work for an airline (and lets hope if you do it's not easyjet).

I agree you can bring water, coke cola, orange juice on board the aircraft if you buy them airside or if they're brought through security empty. Ryanair has it's crew room airside and they are able to fill their containers up from water machines available to them. Unfortunately easyJet does not have crew rooms airside so this is not possible, also no water machines, so a little difficult to do this.


Yes I know Rosco328 but it's so much fun to bite sometimes and she makes this thread so much more interesting to read. I read it to have a laugh at her comments!

Clara what on earth are you on about. At Gatwick where I work, you are certainly not allowed to bring any liquids through security (regardless of ID and Uniform). There is neither the opportunity nor the time to buy liquids airside having passed through security, so exactly how are you supposed to take any drinks with you?

Flying Clara

In the UK you can still only bring liquids through security in 100ml containers. Not a practical option for bringing drinks to work with you. Airport staff and flight crew are NOT exempt from these rules... The only option is to buy overpriced drinks from an airside shop or vending machine - that's assuming you have time to queue up with the passengers or can find a machine that actually works when you put your £1.60 in, (yes it's £1.60 for a bottle of coke!)

Flying_Clara you really talk a load of !!!!!, you know nothing about this business

I work for a small bottom feeder cargo airline. We have no liquids available on board, paid for or otherwise. If we're organised we load up with drinks when outside of the UK, but generally we're not, and the aircraft is devoid of coke! It IS a problem. We operate in a dry (well drier than on the ground) atmosphere, and it's thirsty work. I used to envy bigger airlines like Easy with their coffee perks (no pun).

Although this sounds like a small issue, when you work day in, day out, and have to buy drinks airside, it does become expensive.

Heaven only knows when things will pick up in this industry, but, if in the future it did ever happen to boil down to (okay, pun intended) a job offer with a company who look after you on the flight deck, compared to Easy who now seem to be driving towards you incurring more and more high costs whilst at work (often, no doubt, having to buy from Easy themselves to top up your water allowance), I know where I'd be inclined. After all, it's the small things which often display how you'll be valued as an employee in the long run.

Regrettably I cannot forsee myself ever being in such a situation of choice. For now....

Clara, please, stop it. Are you in easyJet already?