To go back to subject, has ANYONE been hired, had an offer, or a recent interview ?
This has gone awfully quiet, don't think the accident can be blamed entirely.
I have the impression that the airline themselves want crew, but in reality the Turkish pilot's union are calling the shots & introducing new hurdles like 4 yr Uni time, which certainly wasn't specified on the on-line application. :ugh:
As they were reputed to be needing a lot of DEC's ( I heard 3 figure numbers ) there seems to be a baffling lack of urgency here. :confused:

Rumours
 

There's a rumour from an internal source that they will need a number of 777
DECs wie as THY is taking delivery of some ex JetAirways and some deferred from other customers (nice prices?). Internal promotions would enter a temporary freeze due to the accident.
The problem is that there's no under 60 age experienced and current 777 drivers available.:confused:
















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So what's happening?

Any infos on the interview, the Sim, ...?

Is anything actually happening or was it all just a gag?

Interview
 

I got a telephone on thursday from TK, asking me to come to IST on tuesday for sim test and interview. Htl and airfare paid for. Rather short notice..... Asked them to e-mail terms and conditions before I go. SD

5 of my colleges have been offered job in THY. app. 8000$/month, no news on days off etc.
Bonding 7.500$ own housing.

Just to add to the above, very short notice of interview (after office hours Fri for next Tue in IST) everything paid inc eve meal.
Very welcoming and friendly. Sim straightforward, lots of failures successively but not combined/ conducted on 737 classic but the stated aim was primarily to see your decision making, so don't worry if you only flew the NG. Interview just a friendly chat, no traps or gotchas.
Contract initially 1 year due local labour laws, expected to continue for 3-4 years due new aircraft expected. No details of the "package" offered, roster expected to preclude commuting unfortunately.
Said to expect to hear from Personnel in a month, but I have heard of others, who 3 mths later have heard nothing, maybe that = NO ?

Anyone know if they also require expat 737 FOs and if so what their minimum requirments might be?

Thanks

AFAIK there is nothing advertised or planned . The DEC recruitment was supposed to cover a short(ish) term requirement as new aircraft arrived quicker than they could train Capts.
Having said that, two months later I haven't heard a cheep, I know very few people have heard from them, and I still know of nobody offered a definitive contract or engaged . . . . anyone ? 6 months later has anyone actually joined, and if so can they tell us what was offered in the end ?

In terms of F/O's, unfortunately for you , I think they have enough local lads straight out of Flight School supplemented by ex air force bods, you could try contacting them, but don't expect clear or quick answers if my experience is representative of how they do business. :=

Interview
 

Hello,

Wynnwith told me there is a 30 question m.c. test. Since I have an FAA, not JAA, ticket, I'm wondering what these questions cover. Does anyone know if the airline ultimately requires a JAA license, or will they require me to get a "Frozen" JAA ATPL? I'm completely new to this expat stuff so bear with my stupid questions. I'm told to expect an interview very shortly. Wynnwith also asked if I might desire to be an instructor pilot. Thanks. bsmith 5600+ PIC on 737-800.

A Friend of mine got hired in the B777 and was sitting in IST for 3 weeks to wait until they got the act together. He is not very amused about the disorganisation and the time sitting around and doing nothing. Watch what comes next......

Fly safe and land happy

NG

The process in IST is clear and follows a standard procedure. This is valid for the 737 and the Airbus. The procedure for the 777 is painful as there is no sim in IST and a complete communication lack (as it seems) between upper management and OPS about fleet requirements and the need of speedy integration of new people exists.

Now this is most probably not even THYs fault. While the residence visa can be issued in one day (I saw this happening in about 4 hours), the working permit takes weeks to be processed.

However, the support and / assistance for crews arriving for screening lacks any professional standards. THY has to change attitude towards the non-Turkish crews and play as an international airline as they claim to be.

Turkish Airline Interview
 

Ok. With all the negative info.:D, did any one go to the interview? What about the 30 tech. question test?

Re-Turkish Airlines
 

Hi there,
I would be grateful for any information at all on the selection process for direct entry A320 Captains.
Especially the interview questions.
Kindest regards
MF

I second that. I would also appreciate any info on contractair and turkish airlines as to what it's like to work for them.

THY
 

Looks like not many fellas interested on this outfit.
However, I know from a friend flying for EK (777 skipper) that 12 colleagues from that fleet just resigned from there to join THY...:ugh:
Go figure!

No one with any sense would leave a job to go work for THY on a one year contract. The agencies that are recruiting pilots for THY are quick to tell pilots that the one year contract will probably be extended to three years and that the initial one year offer is a labour law issue. If you think that this statement makes sense then you are in a majority of one.
Because THY are unionised their pilots do not want expats there. After you have finished your one year contract you can expect to be shown the door.
Maybe THY would be more successful in getting non desperate pilots to join if they were to offer a contract that was three years in duration.

working for THY
 

A good friend of mine is working there. Things were going OK until THY apparently made a mistake with some of the captains salary's and only paid them 1/3 of the agreed amount!

Some are now looking for other jobs as the mistake has not yet been corrected - after two weeks

:ugh:

This is not the best way to attract people. This sort of mistake is hardly acceptable...

been here for 4 months now.. everything is a big mess starting with the "non existing" ground training, instructors speaking a very poor english, lot of misunderstanding, lot of stupid tricks and multiple failure (3-4 at the time) like the old days. Some of them are nice, some very arrogant expecially the ex military. Company pay for 15 days only your accomodation then you're on your own. Sometime very difficult to find an hotel room since IST is the European (????) capital of culture.. I hope they will never get in !!!!

Salary received at one quarter of the total for unknown reasons

Stay away, if you can

"Salary received at one quarter of the total for unknown reasons"

I just can't understand why would that be the case?

I wouldn't expect to see a national carrier fool around in such a manner and at a time of such a big need :confused:

If it happen to be explained please get us some update!

A340 drivers for THY.
THY is asking for A340 cpt's, and many of us (ex. Olympic 340 drivers) received "invitations" to participate in the recruiting.
Money is good, something like 15171 TL (7,5K euro's) net, plus 1k euros, for home rent allowance if not staying in an hotel provided for free by the Company (5*).
Initial contract for one (a) year, 3 weeks "on", 1 week "off", with 75 hours per month.
Loss of license insurance provided, as medical plan also.
They are expecting, A340 currency, 11k total hours, 1000 on type plus 500 wide, or 1500 on type minimum.
JAA/FAA/ICAO ATPL, plus english 5 or 6 level.
Not yet passed the interview. In a few days will inform everybody for this procedure.
Till now, first day is an interview with HR, chief pilots stc. About 10 persons.
Then, 30 questions ..Read the "technical interview for pilots"....
A sim on the 340 (I had being informed that due to lack of such a sim, they are using 320 sim, but I am not sure about this info...).
I dont know, the total number of pilots they want. From OLYMPIC AIRLINES, about 35 - 40 are interested to participate in the "procedure".
Actually, many are "asking" how Turks and Greeks can work together in a cockpit.
I can assure you, that both "sides" have NO problem at all.
Turks and Greeks, have the same mentality.
Personally, I look forward to join (if lucky) THY, and if selected.
Good luck to everybody willing to join THY.:ok:

A couple questions for those who are better informed about the nature of contracts and contracting agencies:

1. Why would a company like Turkish (or any other for that matter) use a contracting agency such as Parc to get Captains? Would it not be cheaper for Turkish Airlines to simply advertise for DEC positions on their own website and conduct the process themselves? Or is it still more cost efficient to use an agency like Parc because that somehow lowers Turkish HR costs? I understands that if Parc says they will pay 9,000 USD/month to the pilot then in actuality they are probably really paying 10,000 to Parc....Parc takes 1000 USD...and then the contracted pilot takes 9,000 USD. Is that 1000 USD paid to Parc still cheaper than Turkish recruiting DECs itself? If so....can somebody please explain!

2. Is Turkish Airlines hiring DECs because it is cheaper than upgrading its own First Officers or is there a severe shortage of Captain or Captain-ready pilots?

Thanks so much for your responses!:)

Regards,
UW

Damn!!! coffee on the screen and keyboard again:mad:!

As stated by OXOGEKAS340

:ok::D

Definitely the quote of the day.

Just a bit of humor guys and gals.

Turkish Airlines DECs
 

What the true story with all these DECs that Turkish is looking for on B777 and A340.
They do have 20 odd aircraft on order, but dont they have nationals they can promote?
Is it a corporate way of putting pressure on the unions?
Who is recruiting for them? Dont see any vacancies under their own website.


Anyone with good intel please share or PM me.

Teşekkür ederim
Payscale

Just one thing, Turkey is NOT Europe, even if some recruiters insist on it.
Everytime I apply for A320 postitions in Europe, it comes ot that it is THY.
Turkey is NOT Europe!

OK OK...its not Europe!
Now go back to your beer mate..

I was hoping for a reply from an expat working for THY. Not a geography expert

Sorry mate....check your map!
:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Check your map
 

OXO,

I see that THYs' base is Ataturk (IST) which is geographicly Europe :}

Crews are based in IST so there's nothing wrong with that ad.

Cheers ( and to put some more oil into the fire here) from the beautyfull Turkish island of Cyprus:ouch:

Who cares anyways ?

Any idea if they are accepting 320 rated Capts for the 330?

MaxBlow

This is not a political forum and yes you put oil into the fire here with comments like that.

No need for that...

CAT3A,

your're right. My appologies, simply disregard my comment.
I really don't care if it's Europe or any other continent when the
contract suits me.

Ryanair says they fly to FRA but actually go to HHN (110 klicks away), they also advertise Paris but fly to Beauvais etc. - you'll see that there're more people in the industry that should go back to school.

Happy flying!

MaxBlow,

Appology accepted, thanks

OK! Anyone with sound, clear and useful info about Turkish A320 DEC?

So far a lot of bull s*****g?

The way I see it is, you're all sitting in a nice comfortable seat, probably left, in companies which are good but not good enough for frustrations you hold in yourself and this is the place to let them out.

Leave people, who are really looking for a new prospect, alone and keep frustrations for yourself (or your wife).

I know nothing about this THY recruiting...HOWEVER...I lived in IST for 2 yrs (1993 -94) working for Istanbul Airlines (Now Defunct)...

Turkey is a great place to live and work, as long as the pay and conditions are reasonable, the Turks are GREAT HOSTS and you will want for nothing, as long as you remember you are a guest in their country...

As far as a previous post stating Turkey is not in Europe, well, it is in Europe, and belongs to NATO...The Turks build F-16's under contract for Gen Dynamics....

Also, ISTANBUL is the only city in the world to rest on 2 continents...Europe and Asia...the 2 parts divided by the Bosphorus Straight...

English in Turkish Aviation also has never been a problem, in my experience...

I may call some of my friends over there and see if I could get in on this...

ZONAK what is your problem?

How about the cost of living in Turkey, what can an expat expect regardind housing,international schools,med care for the family,you name it,what keeps us afloat ? Anyone care to detail these issues?

Id love to hear the answer to that question as well.
I checked ReMax. It looks like at lease 3-4000 USD for something half decent.
What about international schools?

No,Turkey is not in Europe ( except the Istambul part ) !

Neither by geography,culture,population or religion !

:mad:

Ps USA and Canada belong to NATO and are not in Europe, but they are closer of europeans than Turkey !

What the true story with all these DECs that Turkish is looking for on B777 and A340.
They do have 20 odd aircraft on order, but dont they have nationals they can promote?
Is it a corporate way of putting pressure on the unions?
Who is recruiting for them? Dont see any vacancies under their own website.


Anyone with good intel please share or PM me.

Teşekkür ederim
Payscale


Good question, anybody know the answer?

There are a number of agencies involved....Wynnwith and PARC are 2 and there may be others