Lufthansa Italia?
 

Any info on this new startup out of MXP with A319's?
Will it be on the AirDolimiti AOC or will it be a totally new outfit?
Rumors say cockpit crews will only be taken from the LH pool due to contractual agreements, any truth?

True..we will never let anyone else fly our planes

We will.
It is all planned as Air Dolomiti.
Argument ongoing though.

Sittingbull,

apart from propaganda statements do you have any more details?
It's fine if you fly your own airplanes, will they then be on the LH AOC?Or will you guys set up an italian ad hoc operation with its own AOC separate from the AirDolomiti subsidiary?

Ok, pilots are LH, but cabin crew????? Anyone knows anything?????

flyingirl,

try the cabin crew forum.

will be on the LH AOC, rotating crews.

I don´t want to destroy all your dreams, but the Air Dolomiti "possibility" is dead, the reason being, that the A319 is to big to be flown by non-LH pilots, according to our contract

I dont want to destroy your faith in your employer, but WHAT prevents
Mr Mayerhuber from opening a brand new airline in Italy, which is initially
trained by LH-staff until "they" can do it alone....:}

Outside Germany the LH contract is not valid, is it ?
Do the pilots own the name "Lufthansa" ? Nope :=

Wait and see.... :oh:

Funnily enough lufthansa.com are already selling these flights but airdolomiti.com are not even if the airline operating these flights appears to be Air Dolomiti.

When you click on information on any flight for sale on lufthansa.com this is what you get:

Detailed flight informationFlight LH1796
Departs 17:35 on Wed 11 Feb
Milan, Malpensa, Terminal 1
Arrives 19:10 on Wed 11 Feb
Barcelona, Terminal a
Duration 1h35
Airline Air Dolomiti
Aircraft Airbus Industrie A319


It will be interesting to see how this affair ends up...

The (first) aircraft is apparently painted and waiting in BUD:
Foto Lufthansa Italia Airbus A319-112 D-AKNG

Obviously there´s something behind the Lufthansa titles, but hidden yet...

Lufthansa Italy ? :D :8

"Lufthansa Italia" check this one:

Foto Lufthansa Italia Airbus A319-112 D-AKNG

Rumor: "operated by Germanwings" is said to be a only bumper sticker. Below: "Operated by Air Dolo".

...the power of one´s dreams...

So why does the super efficient lufthansa.com provide the following information: Operated by Air Dolomiti?

Next ,who applied for the slots at MXP? LH or EN??


By the way it seems that the A320 is also a too big plane for some LH pilots eventhough is not written in your contract:

YouTube - Lufthansa Airbus wingstrike at Hamburg


Even Italians can fly like that:
YouTube - 'Boeing' MD11 dangerous landing Hong Kong Kai Tak


:ugh:

Seems like we´re dealing with little children in this thread...the size of the A319 has nothing to do with "pilot qualification", but only with "contract" between VC (Vereinigung Cockpit = LH Union) and LH, about the size of aircraft to be crewed by non-LH pilots operating LH-flights...simple enough?

Did you ever see an Alitalia Express pilot command an AZ B777? Or, for that matter, an Air Alps pilot, or a Minerva pilot, or...?

Didn´t think so!

It seems we are dealing with humourless people.

Maybe the wording too big for non LH pilots was not the most suitable.

Anyway things are changing fast in aviation and contracts do change also.

What about BA and Openskies??

for all you dreamers...
 

There has been already too many money burning super ideas in the DLH group.

just to name some few, Skychiefs, Jade, Thomas Cook

German Wings, Aerologic ande the new kid on the block Lufthansa Italia are creative concepts to avoid paying the T&C of Lufthansa Classic.

All these Managemet guys must hate us pilots like devil the holy water.

But just wait and see, there is so much accumulated frustration and dissappointmets on the pilots side. When the last industrial action took place, Grand old Weber couldnt believe his eyes. Mayerhuber will learn his lesson too...

If it says Lufthansa on it, there will be Lufthansa in it. The rules and the momentary situation is way too complicated to be explained here in this forum. Its not just about the size of the plane or who flies it....



Blue skies

Lars

You mean like on Lufthansa Regional and Lufthansa CityLine, cant remember that they are part of the KTV.

very smart....

why arent you guys just happy that somebody is fighting for T&C s?

why dont underpaid guys understand that the industry leaders are setting standarts for everybody? If Main carriers get paid less, you can be sure that the regionals dont get a payrise!

!!!! flows downwards! An erosion of T&C will affect everybody! Do you think that your boss is going to pay you more if guys on the mainline get paid less?

Its so lucrative to start the old song that guys on good T&C should be happy about what they got, and give other guys a chance to fly the new shining toys like the B777, ERJ 140, ERJ 170 , A319

This is not only about us, its also about the future young guys in our company. We are now harvesting the hard work done by men who are most of them retired already. When i was in the flightschool, these guys took care of my pay today! So it would be a shame if the next classes from Bremen are treated worse than i was.

So dont wonder if we protect our hometurf, you would do the same. if not then nobody can help you...

good night and good luck

@warmkiter

Very well said.......

Gruesse

Dear Warmkiter

It´s useless to get all upset trying to make jealous "colleagues" understand: they are not willing too.

All they see is the shiny new Airbus and they want it.

Of course, once they are on it, they will fight everyone else who also wans to get on it, using the same arguments they used against us, against the others.