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Now why didn't I think of this earlier...Tandem - you are the weakes link, GOODBYE!

Perfect, PPrune looks like a more normal world already.

Anodyne - that was such a great post, that I think we need reminding of it:

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Should we support the BA pilots in this - I agree with TLP; unfortunately we probably should - BUT the current situation is partly of the BA CCs own making:
As a ‘rasher’ (ex BACON now working for FlyBe on reduced terms and conditions) Openskies seems a tempting step up that a number of my colleagues will take despite the bleating of BA pilots. Undoubtedly we the BACON pilots were at fault in spinelessly doing nothing while BA sold us and our terms and conditions down the river, but the BA CC, as the biggest and strongest single grouping within BALPA, could have shown leadership on behalf of the wider pilot community, (thats what a Union means) thus gaining general respect and support.
Moral arguments aside this could have been seen as enlightened self interest as the current level of inequality leads to those of us lower down the pecking order grabbing any opportunity that presents - irrespective of what IFALPA say.
In the case of BACON as in so many others (Dan Air, GSS, etc) the BA CC chose the path of narrow self interest and thereby lost the right to preach to the rest of us - you can’t have it both ways and say its your job to look after the BA membership only, and then expect the support of the general membership when it suits you.
It’s also sad to think what this says about BALPA - not so much a union, just a lose federation of individual interest groups most of whom will have to suck hind tit when the BA pilots want to feed.

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The most important bit, that Tandem and Hand could muse over is:

(thats what a Union means)

Regrettably, I think we all really know what the BA in BALPA actually represents.

I have two people on my 'Ignore List'. It's a useful tool. FWIW, they are Walter Kennedy, and 411A. The reason being that neither of them know what they are talking about!

The problem for you TLP, is that I DO know what I am talking about, because I was there!

You just can't admit that there could possibly be any view other than your own!

The reason you didn't get the mainline access that you clearly so desperately wanted, was because you, (or your CC) weren't prepared to stand on your own two feet, and demand it! You just wanted somebody else to fight the battle for you, because you didn't have any balls!

The one thing that I can't quite get my head round is this: If access to mainline for BACX, was entirely within the gift of the BACC.(They just maliciously denied it to you???) Why is it that even with overwhelming support, and the threat of a damaging strike, the SAME organisation, can't secure access for OS pilots??? :confused:

Could it POSSIBLY be because access to the MSL is ENTIRELY under the control of British Airways Plc, and actually nothing to do with the BACC??

It's a thought!

Unfortunately you can't read my post (because you prefer not to listen to views which do not tally with your own) and therefore can't answer my question. However, everybody else can read it, and will no doubt draw there own conclusions.

Your loss I'm afraid.

(Sits back to a vision of TLP sticking his fingers firmly in both ears, and singing; "Nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you!") :}:}:}

We certainly CAN draw our own conclusions.

I conclude you're a single minded, uncompromising blinkered misrepresentative ass!
You never answer a single question you are asked, nor do you address any points you cannot refute. I hope for the sake of BA you are not a typical Nigel.

(I think the current standpoint of Captain Walsh is probably to commence the formation of a more normal group of pilots than the one you purport to be part of, and presumably representative of - it can only be a good thing for the World's Most Arrogant Airline.
I am minded to write to Walsh and tell him firstly that he has my complete support for the project, and secondly that if he paid just a little more, I'd apply for a job as a direct entry TRE!)

such a fool that i am i unblocked tandem....couldnt resist seeing what he / she / it had to say in response.

the previous poster is correct, you cannot address any questions directly put to you, you just resort to personal put downs and attacks. you are totally incapable of admitting you are wrong (not a good thing for a pilot)....you pointed the finger straight at me and demanded what I had done as regard to joining mainline..........you spoke before thinking again. I have not been any part of BACX, now knowing the T and C I have no desire to be part of BA, my background is another national flag carrier across the sea WHICH I BATTLED AND WON MY RIGHT TO BE IN MAINLINE. Unfortunately even that was not a satisfactory outcome due to KLM abusing the selection process and rejecting many good people. The terms and conditions there are far superior to BA (check out on PPJN) perhaps you at BA would like to use KLM / AirFrance terms and conditions as a benchmark? But then that's now making me look arrogant and superior which I am not. Tandem you really have to stop this self destruct phase you are going through and stop using PPRUNE to vent your venom. Please for your own sake and those of your colleagues think before you post and accept that others may have a different slant on things, it really doesn't make them bad people.

Edited to add; i have removed my post earlier where i used inappropriate language in anger towards you tandem, much as you frustrate me it was wrong.

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I have control!

bluepilot, it's suddenly all worth while!;)

bluepilot

I don't believe I have ever said you were BACX. I have always known who you work for. I absolutely, and unreservedly congratulate you for 'battling' to join mainline:

I know you were balloted for strike action, and posted your reply 'by return'. Well done, that is precisely what I did! Sometimes you have to be prepared to down the tools to achieve what you want. In other words, and as I have previously stated, "take responsibility for your own situation."

In fairness to TLP, he wasn't given the opportunity to strike for what he wanted. I can see how he might criticise his own CC for that situation, but feel it is disingenuous in the extreme, to blame BA pilots, and their CC!

As for "bad people", I cannot claim to know who TLP is, though I believe we may have been at the same base. However, without fail every BACX pilot I flew with, and the overwhelming majority I met, were great people.

They WERE shafted. I WOULD have supported them given the opportunity! TLP and I just disagree about who was responsible.

I'm sure we would all agree over far more than we disagree. It's simply different points of view, that's all.

Perhaps TLP is too immature to handle a different point of view? :rolleyes:

"Nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you!" :}:}:}
(I left the playground behind some considerable number of years ago!)

Different points of view are on thing tandem, trying to bully others and discredit them is quite another:

to quote you quoting me :

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It is also healthy that some pains from the past are discussed, people then hopefully learn from these mistakes and injustices to help to a better future

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From where I'm standing, there were few mistakes, just a load of folks, who were not prepared to stand up for themselves, and now bellyache about the fact that those nasty BA pilots wouldn't fight their battles for them!

Sooner or later people have to take responsibility for their own situations.

If you wanted to be mainline, what did you do about it?""

To me that looks by implication you considered me to be BACX!

You also state that "you know what you are talking about because you were there" regarding BACX, a quick look into your history as far back as 2004 i see that you were a member of the queens flying club, therefore you were not there for the full term at least!! but you do say you flew with them? have i really missed something here tandem? Dates dont seem to add up.

Finally we do agree on something, they were shafted!

I think this pointless bashing has gone quite far enough, lets get back to the subject.......BA pilots still do have my support.

Am I missing something here? Are the airframes being removed from BA mainline use, thus denying BA mainline pilots work on existing routes? If not, why not let the OS pilots "stand on their own two feet and demand it" too, if that's what they decide they want?

bluepilot

I never intended to imply you were BACX, I always knew you were not. I intended the general meaning of "you" and not the specific.

I would not claim to have been there, if I was not! :=

tandem , i edited my response before your reply, please re-read.

Now back to the subject :)

Walter "Tandem" Mitty
 

Interesting observation bluepilot, I see what you mean. Tandem first appears around 2004, claiming to be an ex SF Chinook pilot. His posts from that era certainly seem a little more measured, controlled and logical than his present ones, but then again, maybe that's what a few years in BA do for you.
What I find remarkable is the consistent cr@p and sh1t he spouts now, because he would have swiftly become and remained the Squadron SLJO on any of the outfits I flew with (Both dark and light blue!) He would never have got much past Pilot Officer rank (or actually even attained a commission) given the degree of maturity he seems to like to display. I find his credibility more than a little strained given that he first appears in 2004, yet somehow claims to have taken part in the BACX/Connect debacle.
Perhaps he was fast-tracked to command having had his qualities recognised by BA management? What do you think?

Still, there are a lot of people on here who pretend, and assume the cloak of careers they wish they'd been good enough for. (But maybe the Air Force still had Sergeant-Pilots in TR's day?)

Lots of people in BA are still members of the Queens flying club whilst flying for BA. I believe they are called reservists. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but TR is and was exactly what he says.

Just goes to show even Adastral got it wrong on occasion. Interesting quote from TR circa the past, I think we can all see where he's coming from, and how he was motivated in terms of stealing and retaining a command from the BACX boys and girls.


In fact, come to think of it, I now believe I know who Sergeant Pilot TR is - I recall a certain Secondee snagging the inertial reel on his seatbelt in....hmm, I believe it was Madrid. Long story, but if I recollect correctly, he had it repaired, and then tested in it in front of the gingerbeer so thoroughly that he knackered it completely. Didn't wish to fly home in the locked position, so the aircraft and the sector were grounded for 24 hours while a new belt was flown out. New Captains eh?
And you wonder why they can't run a terminal....... never mind an airline!

Do you mean 'stealing' back one of those commands that BACX stole from BAR? Remind me who was flying BHX-MAD the year before?

Incidentally, will we be seeing an apology for this comment

now that your Poirot like detective skills have been revealed to be mistaken?

What makes you think anyone believes YOU any more than your so-called colleague? After all, you are BA.

If he wants to be believed, let's have a CV, name/rank/number, if not, well, I suppose this IS a rumour network!:p

I see there's no refuting the seatbelt story - I remember another of you guys grounding the jet because there were no wipes for the headsets! You couldn't make this stuff up. :ok:

You don't have to believe me, but if you are ex-mob you'd at least understand the concept of reserve service, and the ability to fly for an airline and serve the country over the same period of time. I mean you weren't making that up about your service were you? Now how about you tell us about those tailstrikes?

A very good example of taking a small part of someones posting history on pprune and twisting it in an attmpt to discredit the poster, something mr tandemrotor has done on a regular basis. Perhaps this small example will teach tandem that is is dangerous to go down these lines to bully and discredit people, I hope the lesson has been learned. PPRUNE is a great medium for discussion and debate, abuse should never be tolerated.

Oh, I don't think I'll be taking any lessons from anyone here my friend!

What a perfectly appropriate quote. Believe it or not, I had actually forgotten what a pathetic whinging bunch some of the BACE pilots were. Thanks for reminding everyone!

Mike Mercury

"Stealing a command"! - You're hilarious!

As for CV, name/rank/number...

I can do much better than that. Just send me a pm, and I'll meet up if you like?

No? Thought not!

By the way, can't help you with the inertia reel story. But then so much of your accusations are ignorant speculation, it's hardly surprising!

Mike Mercury wrote:
Whoops! Looks like you were wide of the mark on that one too, eh MM?

And the next one please!!

Fortunately Tandem is someone who I don't have to read any more. HURRAH!


Handyboy - you're on thin ice there - should we discuss the secondees who scraped the RJ tails, or should we discuss the Secondee Training Captain who nearly piled one in by retracting flaps when the F/O called for the gear?
Careful my friend, not sure how much more mailine washing there is to come out of this, but it's your call!

to Sergeant Tandem:
 

bluepilot goes up in my estimation with every post.

He said:

There you go sport, read em and weep! Anyone who had to work with your disgruntled and workshy cabin crew of that period will entirely understand the inherent contradiction in your comment. I'm sure they picked all there mannerisms and habits up from their former 'colleagues"

It really is light comedy relief dealing with you Tandem, SLJO was probably something to which you aspired! I doubt you've ever taken lessons from anyone, you're too far up your stern orifice to listen. Ahhhh - maybe it was YOU who scraped one of our tails!, lol, trying to practice a tactical landing and getting it badly wrong eh!

Sorry Mike, the tailscrapes were your team. And to be fair you've been doing exactly what bluepilot described too. You may consider the BAR cabin crew disgruntled and workshy (they weren't) but at least they were there, unlike your lot who were always a hundred miles away at the wrong airport waiting for a taxi to the right airport.

I remember that business with the Flap retraction, a BA TRAINING CAPTAIN too. Wasn't there an AAIB investigation? Could have been more spectacular than the triple 7. Birmingham if I recollect aright - can you help us out here HS or TR??? Anyone you know???
Smacks of T5 doesn't it?

Oh, and I remember the cabin crew too, they were not used to departing and arriving on time, I can't describe the amount of occasions when we'd be asked to taxi slowly in so as to arrive late and trigger the next FDP level payment. And the sulks when we said "NO". Fortunately there were always enough of our own crews to make drinking the coffee safe. Real set of prima donnas, just like their erstwhile pointy-end mates.

Much to my better judgement I removed tandemrotor for my ignore list, but he /she / it just behaves like a cornered rat never admitting any wrong and worse still not learning from mistakes, in fact i am very concerned that this person is at the controls of a commercial airliner. Obviously he / she / it is emotionally unstable and incapable of rational debate. So he / she / it can re-join 411A on the ignore list.

And mr Tandem, i fully expect you to blow raspberrys behind my back as you have done with little Prince. My final words to you are....why did YOU put 411A onto your ignore list? Probably for the same reason you have joined him on mine. :ugh:

Wasn't a BA Training Captain moving the flap lever though was it?;) Can't think why the cabin crew weren't used to arriving and departing on time, we used to have 90% punctuality on the BHX 319 fleet. They must have forgotten what is was like to be on time when you boys took over with your permatech jets.

Me thinks Hand Solo and Tandemrotor are the same person!

This is getting very silly.
 

You forgot overpaid:p And sorry, but in my opinion some were. If they wanted to be in mainline on proper aeroplanes they could have easily gone back to London.

My first encouter with a BAR dragon was on day three of line training in MAN, when some handbag faced old boot pointed out I was sitting in the BA section of the crewroom and should move.......How I laughed. Then I laughed even more when I realised she was being serious.

We can all quote examples because no one is perfect. Honestly Hand, I don't know why you've such a chip on your shoulder about BACX. Yes there were some oddballs there, I've met some oddballs who are BA pilots too. Mainline guys may have missed some command opportunities with the skypigs coming to BACX, I'm sure some BACX guys missed command opportunities because of the secondies - no-ones fault but the devious management gits at BA, I'm afraid playing us all for suckers. That includes the poodles inflicted upon us as BACX managers.

At least BA got some LHR slots out of the deal. What did we get? Shafted. Not by BA pilots, but by BA management who never wanted a regional airline, just a tool to sort out the BAR issue. There are a lot of quietly (and noisily)pee'd off ex BACX people out there, but the issue is with BA. I repeat, management, not pilots, so drop it.

Maybe someone should set up a thread on Jetblast where all the ex BACX and BA crews can vent their spleens about every perceived and actual slight ever commited by the other side. :ugh:

Must go, Grand Designs is on, I want to watch the Grand Master of patronising in action, I might learn something.

Actually OA, I don't have a chip on my shoulder about BACX pilots as a whole. I've drunk enough beer with them in the bars of Glasgow and Birmingham to know there were some good eggs amongst them, I've flown with some of them at mainline and I think your assessment of there being good and bad in both companies is spot on. What I do have a beef about is a handful of ex-BACX types telling the world that the whole companys woes were exclusively the fault of the big, bad BACC, accusing the BAR pilots of 'stealing' commands at their own bases, falsely attributing any airborne stuff up to BA pilots (I recognise screw ups happen, it's the nature of the business, but trying to pin them all on the secondees riles) and generally implying that they would have conquered the world if only we'd fought a few battles for them. If they could knock that off then we could all go back to doing something more worthwhile with our time.

It's a crazy idea but how about we draw a line under things at that?

Seconded.

Now back to Mr McCloud.

Hand Solo and Tandem the same person??

Interesting thesis.
Same chips on both shoulders, same illogical approach to all who disagree with them, same 'big lie' technique to advance debate, same intransigence reference the slightest deviation from the BA line, same biaised and inaccurate propaganda, same 'strike to the death' for all industrial action (though none actually supported except their own), same phraseology, same mutual support, same silly names, same lack of syntax and poor spelling, same distortion of history, same intolerance for reasoned argument.
God help us all if this is the best BA can do to advance their cause.


I rest my case, thank you bluepilot.

(BA, but there we go, what a surprise!)

Lack of syntax and poor spelling? Please....you're just making yourself look silly. You're late to the party, it was all done and dusted two posts ago.

Somehow I doubt that!!

As long as yourself and TR are around and spouting BS, there will be someone here to try and help you guys recognise reality, to counsel you both where we think it may help, to advise on the quantities of Diazepam you require, to suggest rest and retirement homes (as early as possible) for you, to help with your modular CRM recurrent training wrt communication, self-expression, accurate and comprehensive recall and team building.........................oh no, where there's a will there's a way, and where psychiatric help is needed chaps, I'm sure one of us will be gald to help and advise!

Keep taking the pills - in fact, take more, lots more!!!

It's over CJ, go back under the rock you crawled from beneath. You are a second rate mud slinger anyway. Now if TLP came out to play it might be different but I suspect he'll be honouring the very sensible truce brokered by oapilot. Perhaps you could try the jetblast forum, or maybe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!, or just anywhere where they might find your put-downs incisive or witty, rather than just jaded and cliched. You bore us all.

Merde, one of the best sources of entertainment is winding up you and TR and watching you react as predictably as a clockwork dog on the floor of a market toystall.
Mind you, you're both cheaper than a clockwork toy!

More, more - look forward to seeing you in my RHS.

Me too. Can't wait to do your final command check at OS.;)

In your dreams my boy. It takes more than attitude to be a Captain, let alone a Trainer - oops, except for BA, where trainers can confuse gear and flaps at your leisure without criticism! (Was that you perchance??)
I'm sure OS will be a FAR superior and more profitable product.

Shower of fools living in the past!!!
 

THE FUTURE!!

British Airways has launched its first direct services between the US and mainland Europe, with daily flights from New York to Brussels and Paris.
BA will set up a new subsidiary airline called Open Skies, which plans to start flying a Boeing 757 from Brussels or Paris in June.

The airline hopes its new carrier will operate six 757s by 2010.

The move comes after the European Union and US backed an "open skies" deal to liberalise transatlantic air travel.

The EU deal eases restrictions on travel between Europe and the US. It will also challenge BA's dominance at Heathrow airport.

Until now, BA has only been allowed to fly to the US directly from the UK.

Three other airlines - Virgin Atlantic, American Airlines and United Airlines - have also been permitted to operate flights from Heathrow to the US.

Supporters of the open skies deal say it will boost competition between airlines and lead to lower air fares.

It also may make it easier for BA to compete on other international routes outside of the UK.

'Major step'

BA chief executive Willie Walsh said: "This is an exciting new venture for us and we're confident that it will be a great success as we build on the strength of BA's brand in the US and Europe.

"By naming the airline Open Skies, we're celebrating the first major step in 60 years towards a liberalised US-EU aviation market which means we can fly between any US and EU destination.

"It also signals our determination to lobby for further liberalisation in this market when talks between the EU and US take place later this year," he said.

The new airline's managing director will be Dale Moss, BA's former director of worldwide sales, and the airline is registered in the UK.

The aircraft on the planned new route will carry up to 82 passengers on Boeing 757 aircraft with three onboard cabin classes: 24 business seats, 28 premium economy seats and 30 economy.

Union concerns

The planned airline is facing concerns from the British Airline Pilots' Association (Balpa), which is set to meet BA soon to discuss the issue further.

The union wants BA's existing pilots to have the chance to apply for work with the new airline before the firm embarks on hiring new staff.

Jim McAuslan, Balpa general secretary, said: "Balpa welcomes BA's decision to innovate and establish a wholly owned subsidiary company to take advantage of the new open skies agreement between the US and EU.

"But we have issues with BA on how the new service should be structured.

"Having worked so hard to secure success for BA, its pilots do not want to see its brand or its safety record put at risk.
"The new subsidiary can only fly successfully with the full support of BA's pilot force."

Mr Walsh said terms and conditions for the new venture would be different from those in BA's main operation, but said he was confident concerns could be assuaged.

BA shares were down 3% at 275 pence in late afternoon trade in London.




I say again:

"Having worked so hard to secure success for BA, its pilots do not want to see its brand or its safety record put at risk.

What a laugh - you mean - OMG, this will probably work better than our own high cost inefficient legacy carrier baseline - we'd better go on strike for the benefit of the public. ILMAO!!!! Shower of fools living in the past!!!

And as for:
well, the less the BA pilot force has to do with it the more likley it is to succeed. No contest, no question.

I think it might be you living in the past Kurtz, that press release is old. Do yourself a favour and pop over to the other OS thread to see the latest release, there's a good chap.

I'll honk as I drive past you in the queue for the dole!

Jetblast time?
 

Jetblast would be the best place for this undignified thread now, surely? Reminds me of those fights between Hugh Grant and Colin thingy in the Bridget Jones movies. :sad:

There will be no strike now until July, anyway.

Why will you be driving in the queue for the dole? Why don't you just go on foot like everyone else?