Free Ryanair Application?????
 

How inconsistent can Ryanair be or are they limited maybe by non UK (eg EU) regulations?

If you enter their website via any of the foreign language and proceed to jobs and flight deck application from there, they do not charge you the 50 quid!!!

Does this mean you will be entered in the new or the 'deleted' old data base. Go figure. :D :D :D
http://www.ryanair.com/flemish/jobs.html

[ 27 November 2001: Message edited by: lrjt45 ]

Regulations prevent employment agencies from charging you a fee to find you a job. Should this not apply to employers? :confused:

In the link above, Ryanair state that FO pay rises to £70,600. Wasn't there a thread a few weeks back with their starting pay at £6,500?

Hate to spoil the party but no application is processed without credit card details.

IRTJ45: thanks for pointing that out, we'll have it fixed shortly

[ 28 November 2001: Message edited by: The Henchman ]

Mr Henchman. I stumped up the £50 to send an on-line application some three weeks ago. Haven't heard a sausage in return. I understood a confirmation would be sent. There appears to be no way of contacting the people who deal with these applictions without disadvantaging ones position.

Any pointers??

Come on Billy the Kid - did you REALLY expect an airline that has the reputation that Ryanair have to play fair?

Just wait until Mrs O'Leary goes christmas shopping with your credit card number!

Billy, sorry mate but I don't have any sympathy. If you were stupid enough to cough up your dough then you deserve what you get (or don't get!)

I would be well and truly into my redundancy pay out if I had to send £50 with each CV.

Ignore Ryanair and apply to an airline that might actually treat you with a bit more respect.

You're probably right, what did I really expect. However I need a job and I have the hours on type. So really I'm in no position to make a stand, against what is outright explotation of the recent sad events in the industry.

However, I have received some messages from other ppruners in the same position.

My position is this; I took the fee on face value(reluctantly) and expected at least a reply. Yes it is outrageous but I thought Ryanair was a professional outfit even though very cut-throat.
Now my understanding of the situation is that when I paid the money I entered into a contract. I effectively bought a service from Ryanair. The service was to a) store my application on there computer for one year. b) They would inform me of receipt of the on-line application within 5 days.
Seeing as Ryanair didn't reply within a reasonable time or send me a receipt of the transaction then simply they have broken the law.
Whether Ireland has a fair trading act I'm not sure. I understand there is EU law to cover remote transactions.
The beauty of the situation is that I used a credit card. So I'll ask their legal people tomorrow, what chance there is of getting my money back after being ripped off by Ryanair.
I think this may be time to call the Trading Standards Office,Watchdog or the papers, because this really is starting to look like a scam.
I'm just wondering what sort of numbers of honest pilots could be involved?

Billy, that little "threat" should have them bouncing about. They will now reply to you tout suite however if they don't know who you are they will have to reply to everyone, good call mate and good luck in the future with them. :D

[ 28 November 2001: Message edited by: fergineer ]

Errr.............. Silly Billy!!! :rolleyes:

It has now been over 24 hours since Henchman (what an awful appropriate nickname) posted his reply and admitted there might be a loophole in the webapplication process. (with no correction in said process)

Meanwhile genuine 732/738? type rated pilots get ignored, contrary to the guarantee that they will be contacted. This does appear the greatest scam after 09-11. Ryanair obviously does not seem to care about its people or its prospective employees, let me not even begin to mention the treatment of its stranded passengers (as the local magistrates agree, see earlier tread).

In times like this I really do appreciate working for a company who appreciates my effort, and rewards me accordingly.

Maybe I am ranting and raving a little but I could not let this go. It is a shame when a supposed reputable company uses and abuses the like of us just to show a better return on investment. There is more to a company than the annual balance sheet, it is the people and their attitude that will make and break any company.

I sincerely hope that some of Ryanair's employees (and not only the drivers) will finally say enough is enough and make a stand...

I feel sorry for all the wannabees and furloughed pilots who forked up their £50.00 and got sweet F*** ALL. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Ryanair is a scam. The only people I know who got 'jobs' with them after 11-09 actually marched up to their office in DUB and made a deal (they were all cadets that were dropped by EI). I am rated on the B737 with an Irish licence as well as having an SFI rating on the B737. I applied before they started this £50 crap and even then said they would provide a confirmation of receipt of app. NOT. D.Dy is the most unserious guy around. In all honesty I would rather go around unemployed than work for that crowd regardless of 'the money'.

Did you guys hear about the Yugoslav skip with Ryanair who decided to shut down an engine on finals (with pax onboard) because he had his PC the following week and thought he needed the practice? I know he's gone now, but come on...

[ 29 November 2001: Message edited by: dick badcock ]

One swallow doesnt make a summer and one guy who says he hasnt got a reply doesnt make a 'scam'

FR have hired, will continue to hire and only hire pilots through the £50 application process FACT

FR respond to all applicants who pay the fee and meet the minimum criteria FACT

Billy- You should have at least recieved confirmation by now, perhaps some of your details were missing ??

Thanks for your reply Mr Henchman, no reply as yet.
The problem is there is no way to contact the office to sort the situation out.
(Prehaps you could send me a private message using the icon above this post).
Also I have been contacted through the board by several people in the same situation.

Under the circumstances I think it quite fair
for pilots to charge 100 pounds sterling to Ryanair in order that they may receive a C.V from a professional pilot.

Remember No PILOTS = NO AIRLINE

Let the games begin

Well spoken XSIMBA!!!! Why do you guys even spend your valuable time on a company like Ryanair???? It seems like they treat new-hires (and applicants) like dirt.
I also heard that if you are being called for an interview you have to throw away another 150 euro or so and if, or when, you go for sim-ride - away goes another 100.....This is bull****!!!!! Wake up guys/gals!!!! Do you really wanna work for a company like this???

I know that we have some rough times ahead but just hang in there...For those of you with the right attitude ( NOT the ones chasing Ryanair for a slave job!!) other jobs will eventually pop up......

Good luck!!!
:mad:

OK then, how about Excel. Does anyone know what they're like, pay, bases, conditions, happiness etc...

Hi Skyclamp,

I am starting with Excel in the new year. They are a very friendly airline. I was interviewed before 11/09 and was due to start on 1 Nov, but things postponed until Jan 2002.

The contract will be unto end of Oct 2002 and there is a reduced salary sheme because they can't bond you for training. Chief Pilot told me he can't predict what the market will be like beyond Oct 2002. I think this is fair and I'm very grateful to have a flying job to go to in the new year.

Apparently they are taking on some of the Virgin and BM guys that were made redundant.

OWK,

Thanks for that. What about the rest, how many aircraft, crews, what rosters, nightstops, does anyone know?

I work for Excel and I'm not aware of any redundancies. Good to work for with bases in LGW and MAN. Sensible attitudes seem to prevail, unlike a few other airlines I could mention ........

Hi Skyclamp,

Excel have 5 B737-800s, two based at MAN and three at Gatwick. Going by what I was told there are very few night stops but you do get night charters to fly. Roster is fairly stable, you get one every two weeks and you don't get many changes.
There are rumours that if the industry picks up Excel will get other aircraft. In airliner world a couple of months ago it was mentioned that they'll be basing a B737 at Bristol.

On the whole it's a small airline without ambitions of operating 30+ airplanes in the next couple of years. I reckon it could be more secure than other airlines.

In my opinion this is an unacceptable practice, which is clearly taking advantage of those that effectively have no choice but to pay if they wish to work. Does anyone know if Ryanair are taking the £50 applications from applicants that are not type rated, or otherwise do not meet the minimum requirements? Billy the kid, I think you have made some good points here, I hope you here something soon. As a point of interest I will check out the “charging for application” laws, and post the findings in a thread.

Darbo, OWK thanks for the info.

When I spoke to Excel's MS she said there is a 6 months contract at £4.2K/pcm this is low, but they can't bond you. So if you become full time as a direct entry captain, what's the basic pay?
A BRS base would be nice! I'll call next week.

Hi SKYCLAMP,

Basic pay for a full-time Captain should be around £ 48,000 per year. My feeling is the people that Excel will take on early next year will be offered permanent contracts later on. This is only my opinion based on the industry starting already to pick-up and the British people still going on holiday. Come September 2002 things will be back to normal, if terrorists don't do some other flying stint...

Can anyone help me please?

I have completed an on-line application with Ryanair more than 3 weeks ago. I had not received an acknowledgement, but now it also turns out that there was no fee charged from my credit card either.

I have tried to call all the Ryanair numbers that I have, but none of them are accessible or in use.

What's the best I can do except re-applying or giving up?

Thanks for the help!

[ 06 December 2001: Message edited by: NO AUTOLAND ]

The way you guys grumble and fret about things makes me wonder why you all became professional pilots. Think about those poor blokes in the third world who would be happy with any job.

I am not grumbling, just trying to find out what went wrong that's all...

:rolleyes: posted application late October, credit card charged immediately, still not even an acknowledgement!
I mean, even if its been fired straight into the bin, common courtesy and £50 would suggest such would not be unreasonable, or am I living in a dream world?
ps...Ryanair, if you read this i'm not a grudge bearer and believe its never too late!

This is looking like the scam of the year
Beware all
5/12 was the '5th working day' and still no acknowledgement :mad:

No Autoland / Mr Zippo


Every application recieved by Ryanair has been responded to with the exception of twelve who failed to supply us with e-mail addresses therefore it was not possible to respond to them electronically. If you have applied and have not received a response to date please e-mail me with your specific query and I will respond to that.


17 pilots have already been recruited from the new database. We anticipate our recruitment needs being exclusively met from this database for the foreseeable future.

Honest Joe

Gratefully just received relpy to application.
Believe some of above negativity relates to time frame of several weeks as opposed to the approximate 5 days Ryanair implies.
I'm sure there are reasons but all academic now anyways.
Yours, very much looking forward to the Interview.

Count yourself lucky guys, I was interviewed for a Ryanair ground job earlier this year, (foot in the door, you know). I've yet to receive an answer.
Still thinking about it I suppose. At least I haven't been rejected, maybe they didn't want to disappoint me.
The last time a company did that to me, it went bust shortly after.

It is about time we stop complaining about this meaningless airliner. They are the mob of the airline industry.
- Asking money for viewing your resumé is one illegal and two a very bad example for other companies.
- Flying from a Belgian base, and not having a single Belgian pilot, is just arogant.
- Using the Belgian goverment support money to give away free tickets. Is just f***ing the Belgian people.
- and so on.

I hope we can drop the topic Ryanair for now. And start posting again when one of there planes come down because they are saving on fuel.

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[ 11 December 2001: Message edited by: TopFly ]

Honest Joe,

I also applied early November, but still awaiting confirmation. How can I get in touch with you to see if you have my application?

Yes I´m stupid too,applied about 3 weeks ago,heard
nothing till now.

Couldnt get an interview when it was free, so why would I want to pay for a rejection?

MAX <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

Can we have a run down on the experience of the 17 that were taken on please.
Were they type rated already, 1000's of hrs, mmmmm?

An Irish Chum of mine has just been through his type rating. He is well below 1000's of hours. He paid the 15k. His phone call went something like...
'We're looking at taking 3-6 guys about (his age) and married with kiddies. You fit the bill.'

From his mouth, not mine. He gave me the big impression it was WHO he knew and not whether you pay £50 or £100 by mistake. :) :)

MAX.

Honest Joe,
...........The Irony
:)

I think its fair to say that a lot of people have a problem with Ryanair. You can sit here and bee-atch about the company and why they are screwing you around? Basically, Because they can! Accept it, its how big business works!! They probably have the EI cadets working for scraps!

I think its safe to say that its not gonna change so you might as well like it or lump it. It might take a few years but the management wont do anything until the standard of their pilots drop so much that you have a Cpt and a FO with a combined time of 200hrs on Microsoft Flight sim!

Got this in my e-mail, about the only thing:

3rd January 2002

Thank you for submitting an on-line application which I can confirm has been added to our new database which was established in November 2001.


Recruitment Status

Our immediate recruitment needs are driven by the delivery of 8 Boeing 737-800’s. We took delivery of 3 of these aircraft in December 2001 and will receive 2 more before the end of February and the remaining 3 aircraft will arrive before next summer.

Non-rated Pilots for the B737-200 Fleet

We have and will continue to recruit non 737 rated pilots for our B737-200 fleet. These pilots will be offered a Ryanair B737 Type-rating contract at a cost of IEP£15,000. The training takes place at our new simulator facility at East Midlands Airport. To be offered a position with Ryanair you must not only successfully complete the course and the normal selection process but also demonstrate your suitability for hiring by Ryanair throughout your training. We will only be training pilots for positions which are available, we are only interested in training pilots for our own needs.

Rated pilots for our 200 Fleet

We have recruited 5 B737-200 rated pilots over the last 2 months who have gone straight onto our 200 fleet based at Stansted, Prestwick and Charleroi.


Non-rated Pilots for the B737-800 Fleet

We are recruiting both B737 rated and non B737 rated pilots for our 800 fleet. We have already recruited non B737 rated pilots who have completed initial training with Schreiner Ltd in Amsterdam and then Line Training with Ryanair. The next group will commence training with Schreiner in mid January 2002. Again these pilots have paid for their type-rating and provided they successfully complete training and the normal selection process they will be hired direct onto our B737-800 fleet.

B737 rated pilots for the B737-800 fleet

We are also recruiting direct entry B737-800 rated pilots and B737 3/4/5 rated pilots who require differences training. Our existing fleet of 15 B737-800 aircraft are currently base at Stansted Airport with 3 of our new aircraft being allocated to our new base at Hahn. We have recruited 4 B737 -3/4/5 pilots over the last month alone.

Once again thank you for submitting your application. We are exclusively recruiting pilots on-line, we will not be accepting applications or recruiting pilots through any other route. Our immediate recruitment will be continuing in line with the programme of delivery of B737-800 aircraft over the next 6 months. This new process is working very well for us so please be patient and hopefully we will be in contact with you.


Regards