The only astute comment in this thread....this is going to be the test bed.

What's the agenda?
 

Well now that the cat is out of the bag....is the agenda the SNN problem or EI's perceived IALPA problem?

DECs really put it up to IALPA...what's the response going to be?

To enforce existing collective work practice and job security agreements, I would suggest?

see you at 6 j.j.

Can someone explain this to me as I don't really understand? Why do AL want to hire DECs? They know it will make all the pilots mad, since there are so many FOs wanting command, as well as having lots of people in the hold pool for FOs, why select more? I don't get it :confused:

Is it a PR stunt? are they just trying to cut costs with lower T&Cs for the Belfast crews?

separate base = new contracts
new contracts = new t+c's
much lower pay scales
different pension, etc
not on seniority list with all other AL pilots
= Yellow Pack pilots

Flame (suitable name) let me explain something bloody obvious to you.

If Aer Lingus removes its SNN-LHR service the public and business community may decide to exercise their LEGAL right to stop travelling with Aer Lingus on all routes.

Equally;

If Aer Lingus attacks its Pilots by discriminating against them in the hiring process for the Belfast base they are free to exercise their LEGAL right to withdraw their labour on all routes.

As a 'Free Marketeer' I'm surprised you don't understand the system better - everyone has rights and obligations in a business environment. One party breaks their obligation - they can expect commercial consequences. Whats wrong with that? Its the system you favour.

Yellow Pack Pilots??? :confused:

The Basic is not that good looking on the PJN site compared to other Bus operators.
It will be interesting to see what the new T's & C's will be.

BR.

OFFICIAL: Aer Lingus pilots on strike from midnight Tuesday next - mandatory notice precludes earlier action.

Bad robot, Yellow pack means something which is less expensive due to its "generic yellow pack" than an identical branded product. It is a term often used in this part of the world in IR issues.

Well they're not going to find many 'yellow pack' pilots in BFS. I'm sure they will get plenty of applications but at the end of the day they will need to pay standard UK bus salaries if they want bus pilots. BFS is no cheaper to live in than Dub these days. The only airbus rated guys in BFS are BMI and MYT. I'll wager that quite a few of them get as much as an EI DUB skipper. EZY crews aren't exactly on the breadline either although their ancilliary benefits are poor. Perhaps they secretly want a load of Q400 guys.

Well AL have a holding pool full of people so I don't see why they don't use them for Belfast instead of recruiting again?:confused:

Saddler, its about maintaining our T&C's. Its about ensuring Belfast new hires are protected by the same contracts as their Dublin colleagues. Its about maintaining a solidarity that has served us so well in the past.

You will hear the besieged manion camp tell you its grotesque and that every multinational hires on local contracts but the trouble with that analogy is that staff hired overseas work overseas. Our office moves and therefore it is not only conceivable but inevitable that eventually Dublin flights will originate from these proposed low cost bases.

In this cynical time please don't look in our direction for ulterior motives.

How much of the fleet is going to be out? And are they wet leasing to take care of the affected passengers? Sounds quite sudden - will they find the capacity in that time...?

100%; probably try; not likely.