Nuage blanc

"bleeds off, try to successfuly join easyjet first, and then you will be able to send us your comments about exhasting conditions in low cost airlines (even if we all know that easyjet is "less worse" than other LCC )
Thank you ! ;)"

Thanx for the advice. I will think about it. In the meantime I am experiencing far worse roster than loco's on a turboprop, but I can not afford to be picky yet, unlike you. Don't worry 'bout me, I do know about really harsh rosters. But I'm happy to fly. Anyway, I do not expect you to understand that.

A4, Stone Cold, Wing

I'm sure you guys appreciate nuageblanc's precious advices.
And I can assure you that it has got nothing to do with language barrier. I left my country few years ago partly because of such prevailing state of mind amongst the majority of wannabes I have come across. I now realize that things have not changed much since. I am the first to deplore it.

bleeds

Do they hire people with 2000+ total time and 800+ Turbine PIC? or only 200 hour fo's?

They hire all types of experience and people with different backgrounds.
I joined when I had around 3000 hours with about 800 PIC on a ATR.

Hope that answers your question. :ok:

ok
 

and me with 3000H TT and 1500H ON A320 low cost experience I can???:) :) :)

As mentioned in the financial webcast:

easyJet plans to grow 15% year over year over year.

So whatever you plan, keep this in mind. A319 orders plus options now total 315 planes. So for the next 3 years EZY is looking for _1500_new flight deck.
Next year around 450 and ramping up beyond that to be in line with the 15% annual growth target. The first busses will leave after 7 years of service and have probably racked up 21.000 hours by then. The next wave will probably be a bit longer in service in order not to flood the second hand market and keep the resale value up. Policy is to keep DEC as low as possible but as experience levels vary wildly, both on type and total, EZY is looking for experienced pilots as well. As being shown by the current inflow of ex-emirates A340 DEC's.

T&C's:
After years of eroding T&C's in the industry now is the time to get the package back up. Basic Salary is ok'ish, Pension is rock bottom at 7% (and you still pay your own uniform) so there is room for improvement there.

Roster: 5-4 5-3. I never actually did 5 4 sector earlies (and am London based) and the last day is sometimes a contactable which makes thing manageble. 5-4 5-4 SHOULD be doable during winter but I don't hold my breath.

Career:
Some like long-haul, some don't. Some like exotic Arabic places, some like to be in their own bed. Out of LGW you do about 40 different destinations and growing. Some like to be in Big Iron, others reckon that in a Airbus it doesn't really matter what's behind the flight deck door. Most seem to want a working mix of A320 and A330. We'll see about that. Whatever people wish, I hope they get it, be happy about it and wish their fellow aviator the same.

Something I really mean:

THE PEOPLE IN EZY MAKE IT A GREAT PLACE TO WORK.

I hope you have the same in your company. Now let's have a drink...

Well, basic salary for a cadet 200hrs FO is GBP 24,445
and basic salary for a direct entry SFO is GBP 44,740.

easyjet is a low cost airline, so its aim is to earn money by something else than 20GBP return ticket to Alicante !

In other word, the less you have experience the better is for easyjet ;)

Hope this help !


Guillaume.

He's at it again!:p

Nuageblanc

A cadet gets the same package a direct entry FO gets. Once the ATPL is unfrozen you get the same package an SFO gets, whether you joined as a cadet or not. The basic you quote doesn't include the £1000 a month loan repayment, as it is a tax write-off. Cadets' aren't a cheap option, unless they leave in their six month probationary period which is happening less and less.

Recruiting endless numbers of inexperienced F/Os is not what ezy try to do and nor would it benefit them. Like any other large jet operator they need a cross section of experience to keep operational standards high and avoid the situation where two inexperienced crew members are rostered together.
easyJet makes money through keeping costs low, but it's pilot workforce isn't an area where they look to take shortcuts. We make money through yield management with seat pricing (you will find not everyone flying to ALC this morning paid £20) and by focusing on anciliary sales onboard.

Coffee Black None is spot on - what makes ezy a good place to be is the crew you work with. I always have a good day out at work. You'll notice all the positive (and accurate!) feedback is coming your way from pilots who actually work for ezy. Your entitled to your opinion, but I'm afraid we're also entitled to rubbish it!

Good luck with your CRJ job by the way.............:eek:

Wrong ! check website mate :ok:

Of course ! and once you are captain you get captain salary thanks god !!
What I am telling is that a 200 hrs cadet will need to work for 2 years to be unfrozen, in the meantime, easyjet will pay him twice less than a direct entry SFO (check again website ;) )

Best regards !


Guillaume.

Nuageblanc, ca c'est la verite.

I recently went on hols to Tuscany, flying into Pisa. Couldn't get staff travel with EZY, cheapest I could get with EZY was GBP160 return. I went with BA for GBP93 return. That's how it's done. Supply and demand.

Why don't you understand some of us work for EZY so have first hand experience, and are therefore not basing our arguaments on the 'website'.

:ugh:

And if you actually bothered to look carefully at the website you'll see a cadet FO gets paid exactly the same as a direct entry FO:

Cadet FO = £24445+12000 loan repayment =£36445
Cadet SFO = £32740+12000 loan repayment =£44740
Cadet Cpt = £61792+12000 loan repayment =£73792

Also it is usually possible to upgrade to SFO on your 3rd recurrent, so 18months.

Jesus Christ.


Nuageblanc.

You want me to check the website? To see how much I earn? How about I just check my payslip?

I joined as a cadet. I'm about to unfreeze my atpl. It took me 18 months. I am paid the same as a direct entry F/O - i.e. the cadet basic plus £12,000 a year to cover the loan repayment. Add £12,000 to the cadet basic and guess what? Oui mon copain, it's the same basic as a direct entry F/O!

:ok:

Monsieur Cloudy,

Oh how I chuckle while reading your posts...

Having flown both short haul for 5 years, and now longhaul on the 744 for 6,
I believe I am in a good position to comment.HORSES FOR COURSES.

ie. some like SH cos of the fun flying, home every night, and job satisfaction.

Some PUT UP with LH cos of....um....days off between trips, and struggle with the boredom of a 12 hour flight with Capt Haddock next to you(with the charisma of a rabbit-dropping...."look at this picture of my Porsche and Thai wife" zzzzzzzzzzzzz) Your skill levels and moral can drop drastically when you do 1 landing a month, and lets be honest.. we all got into flying cos we love flying...not doing a Sidokou at 35,000ft over Mongolia at night.

I suggest something, try LH and then try SH, then make up your mind what you want to do. Don't slag off people who have made their own mind up, they shouldn't have to defend their decision.

Ciel Bleu

JJB

ps. am trying to leave a "fantastic legacy carrier" with lots of money for a SH satisfying job....ah bliss... a pilot again...

JaJaBinx
Right on the money, thanks :ok:

Back to the subject kids:
P.S.
Which is proof that all those pilots either already working for eZ, or that will be working for eZ, are interested in that sort of flying :zzz:

P.S.
nuageblanc vérifie le contenu de ton froc :E

Ok my friends !! you have just made me so horny about easyjet that I want to join it !

See you soon !!

Guillaume, 367 hours TT :O

PS/ so how many pilots are the gonna take, and when ?

nuageblanc,

You've got some balls coming on here and telling experienced guys what you believe is the way things are. The funny thing is you clearly have very little idea on what you are talking about!! Unless you have some major attitude modification i'd be surprised if you manage to make it anywhere some serious tin.:mad:

So.. working backwards..
courses start maybe in November..
3 months notice to give...
6 months for them to pull my application out mountain of e-cv's.
*hit, should have updated my application last year!!
:eek:

I do some work with pilot recruitment at easyJet, I couldn't tell you how many pilots we are going to recruit and when. Why? Because I don't know. It's either a closely guarded secret or the powers that be don't exactly know. We are very good at detecting bullsh:mad: t and arrogance, if we don't quite catch it then those types of people will very unlikely make it through the sim on the second day, as whiffs of bovine by-products is part of the sim evaluation. Ask most pilots at easyjet how many arseholes they fly with and there aren't many of them - perhaps a known few.

Alvin

I have to echo JJB's sentiments and we probably work for the same mob out east.
A few years ago when I joined civvie street and was looking at prospective employers I was ignorant but respectful of the industry I was joining. Old enough now to realise the "grass is greener" factor, I can still see the attraction of (and am seriously considering) returning to the UK and working for easyJet, albeit as DE LHS. As a long-haul FO on the -400, I have had one TO/landing in the last 6 weeks. I get into the sim twice a year and although they'd have to handcuff me to return to the RAF, I do miss the comfort of flying an aircraft so often you don't have to think about the basics every time you wish to commit aviation, and be berated annually by a Training Captain who has no idea how to instruct, let alone criticise.
I have to suppress a smile at the impression that long haul means family time between trips. I get only 2 - actually, it's 3 but I have to get myself to my base at my own expense the day before and put myself up at a local hotel. Believe me, once you've done 6 of those on the trot, you don't know which way is up, your paperwork commitment at home gets ever higher and quality time with the family is saddly lacking. Moreover, IMHO we are recruited on our ability to get on and do things on our own without the benefit of a structured training system other than the check rides we receive every 6 months. As a result, the Frag Harb forums...foraa...threads are littered with constant gripes about inadequate training system.
On the other hand, I'm getting a reasonable salary for sitting at FL350 over Mongolia doing Su Doku, actually I'm more of a Kakuro man, and suspect that there would be other issues at eJ that would cause concern. Someone once told me that all aircrew concern themselves with 2 things: income and time off, or to sum them: lifestyle. There are also inherent leadership issues outwith the scope of this thread that are common in all industries where business managers manage a group of specialist professionals, such as pilots or doctors - one for another time.
To that end, the previous threader was correct in his "horses for courses" analysis. In my experience, easyJet has a good reputation at present and would offer me much on a personal and professional level. I just felt I couldn't let the idea that the natural progression from LC carrier to LH company was the accepted norm.
BB

Please not!!:eek:

I think easyjet is just Fashion those days, but will it be still in 10 years ? The beatles were fashion in 70's, nowdays, it is not really the case !
If EZ get A321s or long haul aircraft it will be nice, otherwise being A319 captain in Europe for 30 years doesn't sound that exciting :=

In my company (I am cabin crew)lots of airbus pilots used to fly turboprop like Beech 200 or ATRs, etc and they all agree to the fact that moving on A320 kill your flying skills !! :ugh:

Anyway, anyone think different !

See you soon guys :ok:


Guillaume.

Therefore, they should be doing what sensible pilots would do - fly it manually as often as possible but with due regard to the weather and their alertness levels. An aircraft may be highly automated but that does not mean that skills should be allowed to wither away. There is no telling when they may be needed. The 320 can be flown just like any other aircraft; the only thing different is the lack of trim changes because the FBW flight control system deals with those.

all right then !!
If you are so keen to sustain those flying skills you have not got yet, then just stay off EZ. Simple.

I presume that is addressed to Chief Whitecloud?

Yes. Sorry for not having mentionned it:ok:
bleeds

Chaps

As a potential EZY pilot I started reading this thread in the hope of there being a well-informed discussion about EZY's future hiring trends. It's sadly been hijacked by a troll but there's this wonderful function called the 'ignore list'. I've utilised it for the first time on pprune on this fool - can I suggest you guys do the same so that a decent conversation can take place in peace and quiet? :)

(It means I won't even see his witty reply to this post!):}

Evening all,

Still at it then "White Cloud" :rolleyes: If you think flying Airbus erodes your skills what on earth do you think flying long haul and one landing a month is going to do??? :ugh:

I think you are winding us all up. If not please stay away from my door.

Goodnight,

A4

Anyhow, back to topic, now that we've had chance to lock the flight deck door.......:}

Yes recruitment will continue apace next year, in line with expansion plans/growth of 15% predicted, maybe not quite the same level of recruitment as this year ( undercrewed to begin with turned into large numbers accepted this year, lower than expected attrition ). Winter is the time for training....so i expect the floodgates to open again oct/nov time this year.

Mainly FO recruitment in line with Easy's aim of all command slots going to internal positions, but realistically due to the experience spread of the company there will be a fair few DEC's taken as well.

WBV

Hi all,

Good thread here, despite the massive radio noise encountered over France. Hopefully it's been squelched out. "Joe Le Taxi" ws about the best French radio ever got IMO.

As someone about to push back and start out on the training it's good to hear that EZY seems to be pretty well thought of. Thanks for continuing to post on here despite someone acting like a twerp.

Do many EZY pilots on here work from East Midlands or Liverpool? How do they find it? Are either of these locations available to cadets when joining?

Disregarding the fact that I've got at least a year and more like 18 months until I start talking to airlines about joining, what have pilot's experiences been when it comes to getting their desired base when they join EZY?

Currently my girlfriend is based in Worcester and shall be for the next three to five years as she is director of a charity and is driving its medium term turnaround. When I return wearing epaulettes I'll be coming home to her to recommence building our life together. As we're both from the Northwest we are contemplating going back there when we decide to attempt to generate rug rats (been practising for a long time, but something's not working...:hmm:) but that won't be for probably 4 - 5 years, biological urges notwithstanding.

If any EZY people could give me the benefit of their midlands/scousepool experience I'd be grateful.

Also, is there any career impact within EZY as a result of base choice i.e. can people based in London expect faster progression than those elsewhere, or is that irrelevant?

Also, I know that this might sound like a ridiculous question, but how do EZY crews find getting to their bases? By that I mean do the roster patterns mean that traffic's always fine and parking at the base is no problem, or do people find that they have to add siginifcant time on to the start and end of a shift getting to/from work? In your experience, would the shift patterns make riding a motorbike to work a no no in case of fatigue on the ride home?

Thanks in advance ladies and gents.

P.S. I apologise in advance if he comes back and says "Hey, I'm not French, but I know I am right because I don't know I know nothing!! !"

One landing a month. . . .?

Who's the lucky bugger?!

time
 

Gents can anyone tell me the mins for command at EZY,assuming you are transferring fron RHS.
Regards

2500-3000 factored - subject to demand.

ezy
 

ok cheers for the info.

Camprax,

Please be aware that transfer to LHS is not "automatic" - regardless of demand. There are some who think that as soon as they hit the magic 3000 hours then they should automatically be assesed. Doesn't quite work like that! The factorised hours are just one of many pieces of the jigsaw. Your attitude, sim checks, line checks etc are all taken into account.

You will be assessed as to your likelyhood of being able to pass a Command course should you get the opportunity. Only if all the above "boxes are ticked" will you get a crack at the LHS upgrade.

Your Command Training starts from your first day in the RHS! FO's have a responsibility to "train" themselves with respect to knowing the books, policies, procedures etc.

Good luck with whichever path you choose.

Regards

A4

ezy
 

With you on all of the above,certainly on the same page.I have 3000hrs + but was wondering if you would need a certain amount on company a/c RHS to go across to the left.Just trying to get these exams out the way then get the application in.
regards

Welcome to Britair, nuageblanc. But please, listen carefully while you attend the CRM course...:ugh:

nuageblanc to Britair... hey guys, we are saved :}

25-minute walkaround!
 

Hey nuage-blanc, what's a 25-minute walk-around? A sort of exercise break while you inspect the a/c? Wish we got those in my outfit!:)

Nuabeblanc.The Beatles were the rage in the 60's, not the 70's!




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