Ryanair pilot exodus to Easyjet
 

After the meeting with management the Ryanair pilots were not happy with the new pay deal proposal from Ryanair's management. As a result there is a massive exodus of pilots going to Easyjet.

To just think that up until 6 months ago people were leaving Easyjet for Ryanair and now it's the other way round. Ryanair may have to start cancelling flights this summer if they don't match the Easyjet terms and conditions in the next couple of weeks.

Now I know they can hire pilots from anywhere in the world but is this safe?

The safest option for any airline is offer good terms & conditions to their pilots. This makes them stay and be happy, consequently increasing their performance and making the operation safe. I think management don't realize that this attitude of theirs is compromising safety.

It doesn't take much: Match Easyjet's terms & conditions and throw in a 4 on 4 off or even better a 5 on 5 off roster with 30 days annual leave per year. If you do pilots will still do their 900 hrs and it will be a win-win-win situation for pilots-RYR management and last but not least the passengers.

I think RYR should seriously hire someone from the likes of Southwest or Jet Blue to help look after their staff. The return on investment woould be fantastic.

The change doesn't require much, go for it !

......and then you woke up......:zzz:

And pigs will fly!

When I finish my training I want to get a job with Ryanair :E

The best low cost airline to work for is bmibaby! Nice people, good training, planes are a bit tired but better that, than the pilots.

When I say tired, I mean classics. NG's would be nice!

Mike is absolutely right, superb bunch of people, and a reasonably civilised work environment.

Cheers.

And it´s safe to fly patterns at 50 ft above airport elev? Why are you concerend about pilots from anywhere in the world? I work in Ireland and it it equal to Africa!

It is NOT all about the money...

Pay more and the pilots will do a good job? Now thats´s cynical. Pay more and you will attract the best pilots, that is reasonable. Unless you need to expand like crazy.

Put too much pressure on your pilots and money won´t matter!

Everyone knows it works this way. Good leadership and respect for the employees is the only thing the works for any company, and of course money...

I think Ryan needs to work on this a bit.

Meja

"Now I know they can hire pilots from anywhere in the world but is this safe?"

It couldn't be any more dangerous than placing 200hour pilots in the RHS.:E
There are many pilots I know off who would love to be employed there, and have 1000's of hours turbo prop time and even jet time, but don't have the right of abode. :( But then again you probably wouldn't want them taking your jobs.

British Airways have been putting 200 hour pilots in the RHS for years. Are you saying that they are also unsafe?

Ryan Air pilots will have to beat City Jet pilots outta the way in the rush for Easy Jet!!!

The futures bright.The future is orange!

Yes I think 200 hr pilots are probably unsafe, regardless who they work for.

Scenic hit the nail on the head. everything is hungy dory when it is all going well, but they have no experience to call upon if something goes wrong.

I understand what each and every one of you are saying re 200 hr pilots but lets not forget that we were all there at one time looking for the first opening. Perhaps with very low hours these people are a little bit more 'on the ball' and likely to question if something doesn't seem quite right.

I have worked with 200 hour pilots for years (KLM). In my experience they are generally well selected motivated and intelligent pilots who I can trust far more than the averege self improver with 2000 hours on a C152. In holland they have to follow a fairly strict selection process before even being accepted by the flying schools, then when they are qualified have to pass the selection to join the airline. True the average 2000 hr self improved pilot has to pass the same selection but has picked up a lot of bad habits and simply has not been trained for the job from day one. I believe Oxford air training have similar entry standards now as well.

just my experience.............. thats all I can go on.

Blue pilot, I hope you aren't serious.

They probably are motivated and intelligent but experience counts for something (a lot).

Scenic et all,

"Also 200hr guys paying off big loans but only earning €1000 a month"

I hopefully will be one of those guys in the near future and paying back the loan is a constant weight on my shoulders.

However I am finding it difficult to work out on average what the average monthly take home pay is for one of those newbies in the first few months or so with ryanair.

Perhaps someone in that position can shed some light, I am aware that not everyone is the same and there are a lot of variables, but an average ball park figure would be much appreciated, from someone in the know, not guessse from others please. Sureley it cannot realistically be €1000/month take home....

Appreciate any help,
P206

Don't take this as an insult, bu a 200 hour pilot may be great when it comes to SOPs and simulator operation, as well as using the MCP but flying the jet with that low experience??? lets face it they are along for the ride and to complete a crew complement.

I am very serious.
Someone well selected and trained for the job from day one is a very good asset on the flight deck, as time goes on and experience is gained they only improve. The 2000 hr self improver has not been trained from day one for the job, his experience in flying small single engined aircraft be it instructing or some other way is largely irrelevant to airline operations. However as time goes on there is very litttle difference between the two. As i have said I have worked with both for years and certainly in the early stages the low time well trained pilot is of more value on the flight deck.... just my experience.
KLM , Lufthansa , BA etc have been recruiting low time pilots from reputable schools for years and years. Not because its cheaper its because of the quality of the end product. speaks for itself really.

And before you all ask............... I am a self improver!!

Nothing wrong with a 200hr guy in the right seat , He or She will learn fast
typically from someone who has many years of experience under his belt
which would be the case in BA, However the situation is a lot diffrent where
fast expanding operators place these guys beside captains with minimum
experience and minimum time in the company, under pressure to keep up with
a very tight schedule,

Americans and some [Americanised] Europeans, please try to understand that the UK and indeed much of the rest of the world does not have a very big GA industry and therefore to expect every low hours pilot to start their career instructing, dropping, or banner towing is just ridiculous. A lot of UK airlines owe some of their success to being able to hire fresh graduates with as little as 200 hours.

err getting back on topic , is there a mass exodus from the Ryans to the orange brigade going on ????

A lot of people tend to forget this and it really make me laugh. The majority of pilots will start their career with 200hrs there abouts. Agreed that only a small proportion of these will go straight onto Jets but whether it be Jets or Turbo probs or even air taxi - the fact is its still a low hours pilot with little experience. Whether your flying a single piston prop with 4 pax or a jet with 130 pax, you still have a job to do and the safety of the pax to deal with!!
Everyone has to start out somewhere and just by flying a type of aircraft (like a 152) for 1000hrs does not necesaarily make you a better pilot in a mulit crew environment than someone with 200hrs!
The fact of the matter is i would feel much safer being a pax on an aircraft with KLM and BA as i know they have stringent selection for their low hours pilots and they will be upto the necessary standard.
I don;t think the number of hours you have tells the story of how good a pilot you are by any means.
Speak to any captains and they will say to you they still learn new things each time they fly. The day you think your better than the aircraft and know it all already is when an accident is going to happen!

adj ;)

Diversion of topic going on here... Would be interesting to know if this really is the case..

Closing this thread because the 200 hour debate has been done to deth elsewhere. This is the Terms & Endearment forum, not the Wannabes forum. :ugh: