You may be right but without actually seeing a QF payslip it's hard to compare because of the apples and oranges factor. When a QF guy says he earns $180 000 a year as an A330 FO I'm not sure if it includes his super (which is far better than ours) or just what appears on his group certificate for the year. In any case we don't have fleet pay and we are comparing QF FOs with EK CAs at this stage. We haven't even got to QF CAs.
Don't think that there aren't any taxes in the miraculous middle east either. They are many and varied.
I would agree that the wage cost to the company may be similar between both companies because they pay for housing, utilities, schooling and some other bits and bobs. Unfortunately this doesn't help your average sand dweller because it doesn't end up in his bank account.

$180,000 for a QF A330 FO. I'm not sure where you got the figures for that but it's a darn site more than I earned.

If we're going to start comparing group certificates and gross incomes, we really should be looking carefully at the "total tax withheld" column, which for a QF pilot pretty much leaves you gasping for breath for a few minutes after you open the envelope.

And that's just the income tax. It doesn't include all the wonderful indirect taxes, fees, and levies that the Government cleverly hides away.

This is really a mine is bigger than yours exercise isn't it!

Why don't we let the managers argue over who earns more or has a higher "unit cost" (always wanted to be a "unit") and get on with the brotherhood of fellow professionals.

If you haven't already, I suggest you all get hold of a copy of Earnest Gann's "Band of Brothers" and see what fellow professionals used to do for each other.

We have fallen a long way and the message behind this thread just goes to further drive that home.

How about some professional courtesy.:ugh: :rolleyes:

Agent Mulder
actually I think this is more "mine is smaller than yours" argument :{


Lets not make it a race to the bottom. ( unless you're talking about a bar in Patpong )

No this is discussing the vagaries of the respective awards and terms that we all fly under. If you have perceived any desire in my posts to 'one up' the other contributors then I'll have to go back and edit a bit. It was more about ensuring a consistent line of discussion and gathering some info.

Can someone explain what level 1,2,3 pay levels mean for an FO and how the whole thing works out to?
If one is already experienced on type what pay would they start on?What would be an average take home pay?

Level 1 = 55% of said fleet's capt pay
level 2 = 60 % of said fleet's capt pay
level 3 = 65% of said fleet's capt pay

you start on whatever level you are offered by flt ops when you join. This is related to your previous experience on VB operated types and also to your ability to negotiate a good rate for yourself in a sellers' market.

Actually thats not quite correct. Everyone starts on level one no matter what your experience as it is now time on company aircraft.

I heard a rumour yesterday that within 2 weeks an offer will be made to pilots successful in interview, to salary sacrifice the endorsement cost. Anyone? :suspect:

Can someone be kind enough to answer a few questions please:
What is an average take home pay per month?
If already experienced on type,what does the induction training consist of other than CRM D&G,ie any sim sessions,how may sectors line training etc?Lastly,reference checks,are they carried out prior to an offer?
Thanks

...and while we're at it there isn't any mention of the prospective 777 salaries. Has anything been mooted in this area as yet?

silversleuth

Check your PM's

Blue Foot

Virgin Blue's E190 are the LR model with a MTOW of 50.3 tonnes.

Can I ask what this has to do with VB pay/conditions?

WW

can someone guesstimate what is the time to command on the B737 for guys joining now? I'm current on type already and not interested in the Embraer.

What is the take home pay for each of the 3 bases on offer?

Are the overnights five star, mum n dad best westerns or something in between?

Do the crew hotels have free broadband in the room for example?


How many overnights per month average for each of the different bases?

Thanks very much for any inside info anyone can offer.

500 hours on a jet over 50 tons get you a payrise doesn't it?

That's what it has to do with T&C's

Blue Foot