jet2 wage levels
 

I have to strongly disagree with the comment regarding the national wage average . So what if pilots earn more than the national average .
Its like any commercial venture , if you invest large ammounts of money , you expect a return . My training cost me £110,000 , i did not invest this money to earn the national average . Commercial flying is not a vocation , it is a profession . If some people wish to have a communist mentality , then ask your local GP or accountant to accept the national average wage .
The T&C's at Jet2 at the moment are below par . OK , we dont work 900hrs a year , but we are not given that opportunity .
Things must improve , otherwise do we go back to "WILL WORK FOR FOOD".:\

To get back to the original question I'm doing the square root of sod all. 25 hours in May and about the same in June. But with truly awful rostering. Started back last week after leave straight onto an 0500 BFS - CDG, followed by five days of standby, only to be called out for a late AGP on the last one.

For me at least the new rostering guidelines are not working and the 'pay rise' of sector pay equals a pay drop.

:ugh:

Not like that where I am, 70 hours in May, 50 in June, 55 on the new roster. Have to agree about the rostering 'guidelines', many late finishes and early starts.

R

Not surprising as the guidelines were agreed with someone who does not know anything about rostering!!!
3 aircraft down for the summer before you start, guess why the lack of hours.
Bad slot scheduling by commercial (not crew friendly), engineering inputs always running late. One fire after another.
I was under the impression the 75 Boh based capt was being shat on along with the rest of us in Boh?
Believe me I have worked in some prity crap ops departments in my time and Jet2's is not the best but my no means the worst. Anyway in 4-6 months you will find out just how bad it can get!!!!

Wishing you all future happiness in you job :cool:

Bartelby

So did you get shortlisted for Club328 then Bartelby?

You lot were certainly thirsty,not a drop of Champers left on Friday was there!!!

Anyway, wishing you all well, what ever the future holds.

P.S the GS office is now "to let" on very favourable terms, although there is still one sitting tenant , contact Allerton Realtors.

All the best doggy.... you left so quick didn't have time to say bye!

Sitting tennant not too impressed, he left shortly after you !

Am off to LBA-FAO late Aug, do jet2 have a policy on jump seats? Have yet to get one. Any help, advice most appreciated.

The DfT set the rules regarding jumpseats and unless you are one of a select group of individuals you will not be allowed into the flightdeck.

PP

Jet2.com rules require you to be a member of one of three clubs to get a jumpseat ride:

Jet2.com staff
ATC Staff
CAA inspectorate

If you are not in those groups then there is NO CHANCE of getting access to the pointy end in flight. Having said that if you approach us on the ground then I would say most crews will quite happily let you come and have a look around workload permitting. FAO flights will be on the B757 so the turnarounds are slighty longer but the parking tends to require busses which limits your time on board after arrival.

Hope that helps

Box

Cheers for that, been on that flight a few times, do FAO charge more fo rhte finger jetty's? The whole place was dead last time i was there, but still used the old buses.

Was hoping to get a Landing, as I have been to a fair few cockpits when i was a lad! But cheers for the advice.

Giblets

I think 99% of flight crews would love to still have visitors during the flight but its the DfT and the Campaign Against Aviation that have our hands firmly tied!:(

Box

PS PM me the dates and if I'm driving I'll be more than happy to chat on the ground!

You guys really need to get some perspective. Talk to anyone at Ryan, Easy, Flybe etc and you'll be told what life is like when you fly 900 hours a year. I do, and frankly 500 hours sounds like bliss. Enjoy it while you can.

True, but with regard to lifestyle:

I don't fly what is on the roster; the roster is constant change and disruption. I don't fly that much compared to the RYR, EZE & BMI pilots, but the flying I do is often with minimum rest and of late and for the rostered future I seemed to have late finishes and early starts around days off. I have similar days off every week.

The leave we get is watered down because we are not always given wrap round days around leave. We were promised two wrap round days around periods of leave of 6 days or more, but the reality is we don't always get it. Unlike the office staff who get 9 days off for 5 days leave, starting leave Friday night and returning Monday morning.

For aircrew to achieve a guaranteed 9 days off; i.e. a normal leave week, we have to book 9 days leave. Our leave entitlement is 28 days plus bank holidays to total 36 days leave a year, or 4 weeks if taken as individual weeks. We can request 2 days off around leave, but that is not guaranteed any more than the wrap round leave days are.

The lifestyle is only acceptable because winter is quiet; the airline is very seasonal. That will change as the airline grows.

Maat,

Which Jet2 do you work for?!

At Manchester, my roster is almost never changed and I've been near minimum rest only once this year.

Agreed about earlies after days off/lates before days off but surely that's what we would expect. However it would be useful if we didn't get this before and after leave. An 0630 report after coming back from holiday late the night before is a bit of a shock.

Re leave, if I want 9 days off I bid for 7 days leave with a Request Day Off on each end. So far it has always been approved and the RDO's guaranteed at the same time as the leave is announced. Okay, I then miss out on that month's two RDO's elsewhere, but that's my choice.

Usually when the roster comes out there's an extra day off at one or both ends of the leave which is useful if you have flexibility for your holiday. If you don't, then it's a day off wasted but it can take the pressure off a tight timescale.

Currently the Jet2 lifestyle is very acceptable, but I agree that it will change as the airline grows. Enjoy it while it lasts.........

Jet2
 

For the last three rosters I've worked 8, 9 and then 10 days. One week of leave in all that. Fantastic. Must be the most friendly work pattern of all the locos.

As always though, more money would be nice. Swings and roundabouts I guess.

Good post MANBLK

Know how the system works and you will get rewarded. Its not rocket science use your request days off around your leave problem solved.

I am guessing matt is LBA based they seem to get the brunt of the roster disruption mainly due to commercial and engineering issues. Aircraft shortage and bad schedule planning are constant problems also. I am a sure these problem will all be sorted once the train set is fully in LBA...

Bartelby

Bartelby; why is the early finish/ late start on the roster not working. Was it wishful thinking on the part of ID ???:(

To get back on thread,

I realise that I may seem to be complaining but I do want to unfreeze my ATPL, I need 1500hrs total time and 500 Multicrew. Seen as I joined the company with an ink wet CPL at the rate i am accruing hours it will take me three years and that doesn't include waiting for the sim as I have to do a skill test. If we were busier I would unfreeze quicker.

I also understand others points of view who have the experience, 'that it is more of a life style issue'.

Jet2.con, look on the bright side, you do have a job on a jet with a new CPL. Many of us would have been over the moon to be anywhere near a Jet with a Full ATPL a few years back.
Most Turboprop operators wouldn't have been interested in you with less than a thousand hours. You are lucky to be employed at a time and in a company that will provide you with opportunity to progress whatever direction you decide to go.
The Jet2 Forum is up and running with 55 members as of tonight, if you have any points you want to discuss.

Jet2.com

Back in the day when new recruits were made to work for a living flying ancient F27's or if you were really lucky even more ancient Electra's we were getting just 3-500hrs per year and you were glad of that. Your hrs will build in good time and with that will come experience. Enjoy the 737 and the lifestyle. I only had my ATPL unfreeze last year after 3 years flying here so chill out and start learning the ATPL is not the B all and end all of life I assure you!

Box

Hear hear, Box! If I were a young lad in the right seat of a 737 I'd be right chipper no mistake. Just enjoy it and remember how badly you wanted to be where you are right now. You've made it on to the ladder, so relax, the progression will come!

Plus if you've got more timeoff you have more opportunity spend your beer vouchers on what they are intended unlike me who keeps getting 6 days on the trot!

Box

Back in the F27/Electra days there were no other jobs.

Given that the whole industry is facing a shortage of pilots, does one:

Enjoy the life style, chill out, go the parties and listen to the bull,

or

Get a job with an airline with a proper seniority and promotion policy and decent pay; and be busy enough to ensure that when the call for command does come, you don't get chucked off the command course because you don't have enough hours? As has happened to some FO's on command courses recently.

It is not PC to state, I know: That the opportunities available to the aspiring FO are probably linked to the aptitude and intelligence of the individual concerned.

Hey, BJ99

No wonder you're so slim if you keep getting 6 days of the trots:} :} :yuk:

Give me the easier life, the hours come steadily enough, it's just a shame that they really don't give us enough beer tokens.:{

JFP

Where's this alleged up-and-running Jet2 forum chaps?? Do you mean the MSN group? Can't find owt on PPRuNE. Maybe just braindead after getting home at 3 o'clock (am) on first day off and bracing to drive back on my last day off for an 0550 somewhere kak.
I am told that at the base captains' meeting last week there was no interest or even belief in our general pissed-offness with rostering.
:ugh:

Luddite; I asked the question about early finish late start in earlier post but to-date no reply :confused: .

Luddite and Boieingmann it being discussed on the Jet2 Forum check your PM's.

Jet2 forum
 

Luddite and others, the Jet2 forum is not on Pprune. The Mods were too busy to arrange it for us.

The address is coming out on Company advisory soon or call me.

note no 'www.

Real names only so think twice before you post anything.

Jet2 Forum
 

It’s Real names, to give it some credibility. If it's not worth saying face to face it’s probably not worth saying. :)

There is always the option of PM to someone who is bigger or braver than yourself to pass your message on. The current fleet Rep and a few others are willing to do this.

So far there is a positive response from all sides, it is only a means of communication, but at least you know who you're talking too.

The questions asked so far have been answered.

lates / earlys
 

Boeingmann sorry missed your question

I think very wishful thinking (e.g. telling you what you want to hear)

The Lba base will never work due to bad commercial scheduling, with no thought about crew patterns or utilization. Personally I think the Man base works (but I guess you dont). If you start on a early you finish on a early (5 consec) with the bonus of a rest day before you start extra to your 10 days off. Which usually means if you start on a late you finish on a late (downside).
Again Lba is a very different animal no consec early options and alot of tight crew utilization and poor aircraft planning, which equals a very unstable roster. Luddite I have simpathy with you but not living close to your base does not help your cause.
Anyway now is the time for you to put your views forward as come dec you will be working from a virtually cleans slate rostering wise. Then you might just realise how good life was!!!

Bartelby

Jet2.com. Training dept
 

I hear the training manager is on the way out. Bit of a short tenure?

And your point is???

here we go again
 

I think you'll find his hand was forced by the move to LBA nothing more sinister than that.

Pity.

Nice bloke, good trainer & from what I could see, good manager.

Maat

I agree completely he has done an awful lot of very good work with us and he is a very nice chap to boot. Good luck to you Frank where-ever you are going!

Box

Bartelby

Please don't think I have any personal gripe with with you guys, I know you do the best you can with what you've got. I'm just annoyed that 'they' put out this propaganda about new improved rostering and then don't deliver. For whatever reason.
And no, living here doesn't make for an easy life (doesn't make for ANY life), yes I accept it's my choice, but the main reason I live here is because I was stupid enough to move for an airline and I don't intend making that mistake again.

December will indeed be interesting(?) I wish those of you who are electing to stay put down south with your homes and families well with whatever comes next.