New Spain Start-up
 

Does anybody knows anything about new start-up , in spain , called CatAir ?
Any info 'll be welcome.
Tks.

Hi,

CatAir will be a low cost carrier owned by Iberia and 4 more companies (each with 20% of the shares) that will be based in BCN. Iberia's willing is to cancel most of their routes (probably all except the air shuttle with Madrid) from BCN and let CatAir fly them. They will start with 4 or 5 A320s (probably leased from Iberia) and they will increase their fleet to about 30 A320s during the first year. They also want to be in the stock market in 2 or 3 years. Operations are scheduled to start in October. It's also been said that they will be codesharing with Iberia some of their destinations. Their brand/commercial name will be "clickair.com" (altough this is not yet confirmed and some others brands such "airmediterranea" or "airmediterraneo" are beign discussed).
The routes cancelled will not affect Iberia's regional operator "Air Nostrum", at least in the first stages. In the beginning of all this are Iberia's plans to operate ONLY to/from their Madrid hub.

Anyway, there is nothing official yet and they haven't confirmed any route.

They are recruiting at the moment for the A320. You can have a look in CAE's web.

:zzz: :zzz: Keep calm !...

there is already Ryanair, Vueling and Easyjet which is about to get a base in MAD, so if CATAIR is successful that much, it will be great, but I dont reckon so := ..

What about Air Nostrum which is now planing to get only CRJ 900s and leave the turboprop fleet to Denimair ? who will suffer more ? ANS or CATAIR ?

Probably their idea is to fly point-to-point services and let ANS fly the connecting ones, codesharing with Iberia for connections in the routes not operated by ANS. Personally, I think that flying connections is against LCC philosophy, but who knows.

About the 30 A320s during the first year, is what they are saying, I'm only a (mostly) happy passenger :)

Tks
 

Thank you, everybody, for the info...............
Brgds.
Nick

:hmm:

Surely this start up operator is a quasi-political reflection of Catalan nationalism and the recent elections in favour of greater autonomy in that region?
I should think that if not now, then in the not too distant future, an ability to speak both Castilian and Catalan will be a requirement. Catalan is really rather difficult to master. I should hop on the bus fairly smartly if I were in the mind to do so.:oh:

The routes have been published today. From BCN to:

Málaga
Sevilla
Amsterdam
Dublin
Geneve
Zurich
Prague
Lisbon
Porto
Moscow

That's it.

What is their website? Where can you find more information about them?

Surely this will give Vueling a run for their money :confused:

VUELING / CAT AIR
 

Dear Gentlemen,

today you can see with which tricks Vueling works to get pilots.

please check flightinternational.com, with CAT AIR logo on the right!

click further; URL http://www.cae.com/vueling JOB OF THE WEEK

Everybody knows about the bad reputation of this "airline"
Or how can we call a company how pays pilots with bananas?

"If you pay peanuts you will get monkeys" .. an old slogan from the
States.

They prefer to operate low cost with cockpit - salaries.
Can be a reason that month by month captains running away. Last time,
16 in one month!
As we all know there are some rumours in the air about CAT Air and
Vueling.

Is the attention of Vueling to make an illusion for all pilots that
Vueling is the new CAT Air?

Is this the last chance for Vueling to get pilots before the operation collapsed?

Vueling give you "7 reasons to become a Vueling pilot"
I can tell you one (1) not to do it!

1- They lie

By the way; I never applied for a position with Vueling

Best regards, xmad

VUELING gives you the opportunity to fly and get a paid job. Even if you are paid peanuts or bananas, you have a job!

I have applied with VUELING and I have been selected.It is still better than staying at home waiting for an airline like airfrance or BA to call you.

I am happy to be a VUELING pilot, and fly for one of the best low cost airline in Spain.

If airline captains are leaving, good for them, and good for the copilots looking for the left seat.

People at VUELING seem to be happy. Life in Madrid or Barcelona is great and spanish people are cool and educated!

at this time, the situation at VUELING is improving, and I would suggest you to book a trip with them before to judge them.They have one of the best service that a low cost can afford.(I like the candy they give before landing) .

Booking and boarding is easy(and tickets are cheap), cabin is clean, and the flight attendants are very nice.

People telling VUELING has a bad reputation, it's a lie...

I would suggest to all my friends and to my family to fly with VUELING.

... and by the way, if Vueling dont pay me enough, I move to catair...;)

I detect in dartagnan someone who is prodoundly grateful to Vueling for giving him his first jet job. Who can blame him? I felt the same once. Alas, as time goes by, dartagnan will realise that there are reasons that a relatively small company like Vueling lose 16 captains a month. However nice it may be to get candy before each flight, it does not change the fact that Vueling are a 2-bit flying operation taking advantage of the desperation of young pilots to fly. They are in the same category as Onur Air, Inter Air etc - rubbish employers who are a stepping stone to a slightly less rubbish employer. In the unfortunate event of their continued success, Vueling will no doubt be able to raise a glass to the likes of dartagnan, whose blnkered view of his new employers has made a few very people rich and him very poor.

Incidentally, I understand that their chief pilot has been making approaches to other LCC FOs and offering them Direct Entry Commands. From my understanding, a Vueling captain earns a similar amount to an easyJet SFO and, not surprisingly, not too many suckers have taken the poisoned bait. Awful as it is to admit, even working for Ryanair would seem positively attractive in comparison to working for these guys. Maybe Michael O'Leary is really a jolly nice chap after all.

candy
 

this will make Vueling management really happy :D

..... " (I like the candy they give before landing) "

You must be a very very young pilot, you may cont. to fly for candy or peanuts.....

I must correct myself; "if you pay candy you will get clowns"

I take the money :ugh:

What do you mean exactly ??

dartagnan:

Aren't they they ONLY spanish low cost so far?

Norman Stanley Fletcher:

Most low cost airlines take advantage: Ryanair with their cadets, Easy through CTC and Wizzair through Eaglejet.

W

By the way, have a look at this:
http://www.flightglobal.com/Jobs/200...+Funded+).html
W

No ! Air Madrid is a spanish low cost airline as well.

And Ryanair has a base in Girona.

What do you mean exactly ??
 

Hi there,

what i mean is; you never will reach the the amount of salary written on the webpage.
as cpt, if you are the lucky one who will reach >90, at the end you have 4500 - 4800 € in your hand. that`s reality!
By the way without candies :-)

If you know how expensive MAD, BCN is, good luck to you.
The way how they looking for pilots, it`s like lure with sweets.
Pilots are only a simple tool to make money, not part of the company.

I tell you an example; a rated captain A320, 13.200 command hours was screened by CAE. after he passed the screening they wanted to charge him by 3000 € for the supervision / training during lineoperation.

Unbelievable!!! An affront for every pilot!

I remember times; it was a normal procedure after the selection process to get a type rating, today young pilots pay their type rating and from time to time like in turkey (Sky, MNG) the supervision time, calculated by 200 hours = 20.000 $

... and many many stories more.

In the past we made jokes like "will fly for food"

This was yesterday! Today some pilots pay money to airlines to have a job and get a bag of sweets.

!!!Stop this madness!!!

They want you, they have to pay for you.

see you..

I believe that to get in you have to be able to lick your own a$$ and cough up a fur ball. And remember that cats always crap in our peoples gardens.

Minimum requirements...
 

Hi...

As advertised on FI they ask for 1500 hrs TT, not considering anyone below it. Is it real without exceptions? Those figures don't make sense if you logged on SEPs do they? 600 TT will do they job and if you are around that number with jet or TP time I wonder how somebody can fool himself far enough and pay for such a lifestyle. I would give an arm and a leg to fly for them in BCN but for God sake the only thing I am willing to pay is the rent for a flat and the beers for (female) flight attendandants when going for a date on the Rambla!


:ok:PZ

papazulu,

I hope you don't take all your dates to the Ramblas.....

W

BCN is my fave destination. There is nothing better than a lovely trip over the the snow capped "pair of knees" and afterwards taking a hostee up the Ramblas.

it's crap indeed :yuk:

Ryanair going domestic in Spain
 

ICING AOA
what do know about Ryanair setting up a base at Madrid?

Vueling competitive benefits
 

In the FI advert. Vueling says they offer competitive benefits.

This is not true. Competitive with whom ?

It is true that Vueling does lie, believe only what is in writing, period.

At Vueling there is no loss of license insurance and you pay for your own

pension by paying the high Spanish taxes.

Salut Charlie Roy from Brussels :)

Sorry, I just meant that Ryanair is already in Spain with the Girona Base, which is pretty big. There is Vueling as we already know ( and they are receiving more and more A320s every months), and Easyjet is speaking about opening a base at Madrid..
So I am wondering how catair will cope with :confused:

about catair, clickair or whatever the name
 

Some of the flights of the new low-cost of Iberia seem quite good.
For example travelling from Barcelona to Moscow and viceversa
with a low budget seems quite interesting.

Besides these last months, Catair has been receiving so much publicity in Spain that if they do things well I have the feeling that a lot of people
will want to experience a flight on the new carrier.

And as I said somewhere, sometime ,... is the first low-cost with already
a fan site: www.catair.cat

There are great expectations ...

Ryanair base in MADRID
 

Bonsoir ICING AOA,

Sorry. I misread your original post, thinking you were saying that Vueling, Ryanair and Easyjet were EACH about to get a base in MAD.

EASYJET
I too have heard that Easyjet intend on establishing a stronger presence in the Spanish (domestic!) market.

The link below is news item from a few days ago saying that Easyjet have requested slots to fly between Madrid and Lanzarote.
http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?Id=30197
"Otra empresa, Easy Jet, tiene hasta el 31 de agosto se para confirmar el inicio de operaciones entre Madrid y Lanzarote, uno de los aeropuertos más baratos de las Islas para aterrizar y despegar."

This would be interesting to see Easyjet break into the Canary Island market? And what's more they would be going straight into competition with Spanish airlines.

Another news article from a couple of weeks ago talks in general about Easyjet planning a significant increase in its Spanish operations and adds that the airline has applied for slots to fly between Madrid and Asturias.
http://www.lne.es/secciones/noticia....Noticia=417571


RYANAIR
The link below is an article from a couple of weeks ago that says that Ryanair have applied for slots to fly between Madrid and Granada.
http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news...cle_4998.shtml

Iberia currently does this route and Vueling are also planning to start up on this route.

And another article (link below) suggests that Ryanair are considering the following routes from Granada:
-Dublin
-Glasgow Prestwick
-Milan Bergamo
http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1384...estinos/volar/
"Eso sí, la línea Granada-Francfort de Ryanair se iniciará en octubre, mientras que sus vuelos a Dublín, Glasgow y Milán se han quedado en el aire."

(Ryanair currently fly to Granada from 2 of their bases: Stansted and Liverpool, with Frankfurt Hahn - Granada starting in October.)


Then, what is very interesting is this article (link below) which says that Ryanair have applied for a whole multitude of slots between Madrid and the Canary Islands
http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?Id=30197
"Ryanair ha pedido una barbaridad de slots para unir Madrid con Canarias."

Yet other article confirms that Ryanair is considering offering a number of domestic flights from Madrid from October!
http://www.capitalrevista.es/capital...idapr=1__esp_1__
"La compañía aérea de bajo coste Ryanair se ha hecho con los derechos (slots) para poner en marcha vuelos nacionales desde el aeropuerto de Madrid-Barajas a partir de octubre."

Here are some more articles on the Ryanair's possible introduction of Madrid to Granada:
http://www.diariogranadahoy.com/diar...685&idcat=2911
http://actualidad.terra.es/provincia...rid_943122.htm


It would be excellent to see Ryanair at Madrid :O
And also if they were to start operations from Madrid to the Canary Islands, we mightn't have to wait long before they start connecting to the islands from their other bases!


It would seem therefore that Spanish domestic market is really hotting up! Vueling are providing some welcome competition to
Iberia / Air Nostrum. Spanair is also an important player.
A brand new airline like Catair would have it's work cut out for it. They'll possibly have to fight off the likes of Ryanair, and that is no easy task.
Not to mention the well established existing players.

that is a very interesting comment indeed and I am not surprised at all that Ryanair and Easyjet are only at the very very begining of the (crazy)game :E ...
For sure they will have the domestic market very soon including balearic and canaries islands.
And I agree with you, there is no doubt about the fact that Easy and Ryanair will shortly link Canaries to UK... and it is not a good news for Monarch, First Choice, etc...

clickair
 

I hope that the arrival of clickair (the most likely name for Catair ...)
will bring a healthy war of prices to the Spanish domestic flights.
I am looking forward to travelling to Eivissa (Ibiza) from Barcelona at a
bargain price. Meanwhile I will fly abroad as it is normally cheaper ...
I also wonder if the flight from Barcelona to Moscow with clickair will
be very cheap or very promotional.

emails of clickair
 

Yes, since yesterday (25th july 2006) the webpage www.clickair.com is
operational and has three emails:

For pilots: [email protected]

For cabin personnel (TCP) : [email protected]

For the office in Barcelona: [email protected]

When you send them an email they send you another with the
link to a document to be filled in and you must send this document
and your curriculum vitae to a NEW email they give to you.

Everything is in Spanish.

If you have any doubt you just can visit my unofficial fan site
about www.clickair.com at www.catair.cat .

By the way, I would like to know if other airlines have fan sites.

As far as I know the conditions will be very similar to vueling or may be a little bit worse. Barcelona based with a chance to open new bases Bilbao and sevilla. The big problem is SPANISH COMPULSORY

spanish compulsory
 

Maybe it is a very real truly great problem that Spanish is compulsory
but leaving a part practical reasons for that I would find
of very bad taste to fly in a company with headquarters
in Barcelona with a pilot who can´t even say "Hola".
After all Spanish uses more or less the same letters as English
- think about Russian, think about Japanese - and it is
a language spoken in a lot of places. Besides learning
Spanish you will understand better Italian, Portuguese
and even French.
And for those who find this condition so hard I just remind you
that the language of Barcelona (and Majorca, etc) is Catalan and no one
is asking you to learn our language.

But maybe I am wrong. Maybe instead of being Spanish compulsory for
Clickair pilots, what it should be done is that
English should be compulsory for those traveling in Clickair so that
the pilots can speak only one language, in this case the pretty
language of Shakespeare.



With respect to work with Clickair I know that some weeks ago I
saw an ad in www.cae.com (instead of clickair it was mentioned
catair)

Moscow
 

I read before that the Russian government impose a minimum price on airline tickets (depending on the route), to safeguard Aeroflot by invading low cost airlines.

i.e. Clickair will not be allowed to sell tickets between Barcelona and Moscow under a certain price that will be stipulated by the Russian government.

charly roy,


dont forget, the russian governement is highly corrupt.if you pay money to "someone" , you can get what you want...

Clickair and Moscow
 

I have heard that tourism from Russia in Spain it is beginning to be very important
just behind the British. Is it that so?

About the corruption of the Russian government I hope that the general
interest of the Russian people prevails ...

I also read some weeks ago that there are more multimilionaires now in Moscow than in New York.

As I have a site of fans of Clickair I would like to know which airport in Moscow maybe
the most probable for a flight between Barcelona and Moscow.