Good evening unwiseowl.

Further to comments posted by Unwiseowl,may I suggest looking at 'Trouble at Monarch' thread, last replied to 30th April under Terms and Endearment. Any prospective employee may find some useful information there.

Good evening to you, Mr Doorpost, Sir!

As we are now up to what I believe is five topics recently on the current state of employment relations at spotty M ,I am sure that many prospective employees will have been put-off joining the company.Burnt and cold does have a number of valid points to make, but unless there is an improvement in T&C across the company you will always get whingers.In fact the package at Mon has been deteriorating for a number of years and the only improvement has been the reinstatement of the Xmas voucher last year!I am not going to point fingers at who I believe is responsible.
I am sure that any experienced pilot will make his/her own mind up as to whether Monarch is going to be the company for them.
Finally not everybody posting here is a whinger and we are an affable company where Everybody is listened to in the crewroom,even if some of those are using their deaf ear to listen.

DEFINED CONTRIBUTION ,

Many thanks for the Info.

Regards BR

Getting very mixed messages but over all the pay is poor for a company of Monarchs stature.

Why are pilots who are working very hard, for a large established company; taking so little home compared to the rest of the industry? Or Am i wrong to say that...

If pilots are leaving, i'm not suprized. I would take that pay if i was getting alot less than that in bad working conditions but would look else where if i had the option. Not a realistic long term company to be at if you ask me. A stepping stone i'd rather not have to make if i can avoid it and stay put a little longer un-less things imroved.

If you join on the A300 Fleet with the type, fine! No bond but then can you expect to got to the A320, quite soon fleet; then get bonded...?
Even if you don't its still poor because all i here is bad pay and long hours. Could take the rating else where but not really after short haul. And before anyone says it, i know; beggers can't be choosers. I know!

Shame really because i've heard that all the chaps at MON are a good bunch and good luck to them.

Just to throw a little balance in here........

As an "experienced" new joiner you can expect to start on a bit over 42k, and expect between 4-6k duty pay over the 12 month period i.e. not just the duty pay, but the odd day off payment etc etc..

The basic increases per year of service, by around £1000.00, and added to that, once you have seniority, your basic is then multiplied by 1.25 once you are on the wide-body fleet.

In my opinion the real problems relate to the pension..(I haven't joined it:yuk: ) and the fact that salaries are now artificially capped below the level they once were...to the detriment of new joiners.

I cant fault the guys to work with, fleet managers and crewing are VERY approachable, the crew are almost all to a man/woman a great bunch.

This will be my last post on this subject as I want to make my position clear. This subject has turned into a bit of a mud slinging match so my two cents again.
Monarch is a very good company. The people are proffesional, friendly and a joy to work with. The training is top notch, the equipment is in good shape (for its age) and their public image is solid. There is no doubting this.
The contract however is another story. The pay scale and pension are sub par in the industry in the UK. This is fact plain and simple. Starting salary is now 5k behind most, the pay scale is capped for both FO's and Capt's (for new joiners) and the pension is 5-7% lower than the other big operators. Roster stability is a nightmare for many but thats another story.
You can sugar coat things all you like but as much as I love flying, I want top wage and a pension to retire on. Monarch would provide anyone with a good career but the facts remain, there are others out there who provide much more.

Just to correct some recent comments. The pay increments per year of service are not around 1000 pounds per year. The second year increase is 656 pounds. third year is 710 this increase will itself increase year on year. After 10yrs the increase is 903 pounds.
Subject to seniority a productivity differential is paid. This is paid in proportion to the crews flying widebodied aircraft, you do not need to fly widebodied aircraft to receive this but merely have the required seniority. This is not 25% of salary as mentioned but 11.25%. The most junior pilots currently being paid this has been with the company for around 12 years.

I stand corrected :ok:

To speak as I have found
 

I joined in Jan '06 onto the A320/321 at MAN.

I was paid £2721.10 two days ago. In April I did 23 sectors over 12 days, one night spent in Aberdeen. I start my pension contributions next month.

The bond on the A320/321 for me was £18k reducing on a linear scale over 3 years.

The Airbus is my 4th Jet type rating and I have 4300hrs. I was looking for a stable company from which to retire in 25 years. I'm not going to pass comment here on the t's and c's, we all have to look at whats about, who you have a chance of getting a job with and weigh it all up. I wanted to spend good quality time at home and I am certainly doing that. The training was the best I have experienced and the guys and girls on the line are a pleasure to work with.

I do not want to fly long haul on every flight and the prospect of mixed fleet flying on the Airbus is personally more attractive that the money I could earn with say Easy or Ryan.

I took a big paycut to come to Monarch and my wife and I are very happy with what we are getting. For us it was important to look at the long term picture.

Good luck.

Ballast,

Nice to see something positive and you are spot on about the training. However, as you only joined in Jan I suspect you have not been on the line for long? Enjoy your honeymoon period because that’s all it is, please come back in a year and tell us what you think. ;)

Ballast,

I'm puzzled about how you manage to spend "good quality time at home". I, personaly, spend my few days off nearly brain dead trying to recover! But that's maybe because I've spent the last 5 weeks doing ONLY earlies.

PLEASE tell me your secret :}

going back to :zzz: now...

Ballast old boy,

Are you by chance the secret love child of the WareRabbit??

:p

Are they still interviewing or has it come to a halt for the time being?
I have had a application in for a while now but no response. Is it worth a call to find out? Thanks.

Agent,

If you have read this thread, and the others about Monarch, and you still want a job with them, you must be exactly the kind of person they are looking for! Call 01582 400000 and ask for the CP.

I have been speaking recently to collegues of mine who have joined Monarch over the last year or so. They all say that the working patterns are far far better than the ones they had at my company. 2 sector days is a doddle compared to 4 or 6 sector days 6 on 2 off. If I get the chance I shall be joining them. Sometimes the grass is greener!

How many crews are they looking for? How many courses are they currently running? As far as I'm aware there is only one course at the end of June??

I thought phoneing the CP these days was a no no. However, if that is what it takes then I shall phone first thing in the Morning. Is it still MP and JB running the show? Thanks.

Agent,

Yes MP and JB are in charge, talk of more courses due to the number of resignations. As far as 6 on 2 off is concerned it is a regular occurrence on the rosters these days, we don’t do 6 sector days due to the locations we fly to but 4 sector days are creeping in. Besides, even flying 2 sectors can be knackering when its part of an 18 hour duty period that involves positioning before and after the flight. This is something that happens a lot. Beware of greener pastures they may have just been fertilised! :ooh:

A300 fleet
 

Does anyone who has replied to this thread actualy fly on the A300 fleet?

If so, is it possible to here what ou get as a typical rosterd month...

Is your pay as poor as the A320/321 boys and girls or do you take home more in allowances?

What's your take home after tax on average? Good month/Bad month?

Cheers. P1 :)

A300 Fleet
 

Last summer on the A300 I probably flew 1-2 times a week max, flying to destinations such as Paphos and Iraklion. The rest was standby with the minimum 8 days off. My take home pay during this period was around £2300 after tax and max pension payments. However this summer is a different story with the A300 crews working relatively hard, but because there are no night stops apart from the Dublins or sector pay, take home pay won't change a great deal.

However, I spent the entire winter in Bahrain, (well at least 2 weeks per month). The £2.95 an hour away from base payment adds up, and I found I could add another grand to my take home pay during this period. The trouble is there is no Guarantee that the A300 will be doing the Bahrain/Goa shuttles next winter, as passengers are becoming more reluctant to tech stop in Bahrain on there way to Goa. (It doesn't have the legs to do it in one hop).

The A300 is a nice machine to fly, and certainly keeps you on your toes. If you join the A300 you will fly with some great people, who you will get to know well due to the small size of the fleet.

The A300 is good fleet to be on as you don't work too hard, and still have the chance of a bit of long haul. However as already stated by others, it is a dying fleet and you will be staring down the barrel of a 320 in 2 years. Certainly there are better terms and conditions to be had out there at the moment, and Monarch will need to do something soon to make their conditions comparable and stem the mass exodus that has started.
Cheers
TD :)

ok. So sounds not too bad. you say things have changed now...?
You going up and down to the airport alot more? do you mind giving me and example of an average rosterd month? need to know how many times i'm going to be driving up to gatwick.

and also, is that pay based on fo starting basic of 42k. when can you expect for it to go up? would they start anyone on higher?

cheers. :ok:

I've been a non-registered viewer on here for quite a while, and now Im getting to the point where I'm getting fed up with what Monarch are offering me.
Its time for the CC members to toughen up a bit. I still cant believe the cave in that occurred at the last pay-round.
I remember when we used to measure ourselves with the likes of Britainia.., now even experienced guys are only level with Easy jet, and Ryan air in many cases.
When are you guys, particularly joiners with 6 years or so of seniority or less going to wake up and realize we work for a company that consistently makes a decent profit and yet consistently (thanks to a CEO who manages to continually shift the goal posts, and a narrow spectrum CC with their own vested agenda) fail to pass it on.
I'm working harder for less (in real terms) and yet all around me I see guys doing pretty much the same job as me, for quite considerably more.
We need to stick together and get a better deal!:ok:

PRNAV - You're being offered the A300 at age 23? What hours/types do you have, if you don't mind me asking?

Around 2200hrs, 95% heavy jet.

...and yes! i am the luckiest B:mad: d. :)

Prnav1, Albatosser, whatever you call yourself. you've never flown a jet in your life, go back home to mummy. This guy has annoying habits on the ME forum, where he is the expert on most things :ugh:

SyB :zzz:

Haha! All feel free to check out what i actually wrote in the mid-east forum and see the torrid of abuse i got from some very nasty characters. So far up their own a:mad: 's they think they can talk to people however they like.
Jelous my friend...?
Don't bother me, believe what you want. Got no time for bitter idiots. :)

Hi all.

Just interested to know if anyone would start on anything higher than the B scale if you went straight onto the wide body fleet? (A300)

It is 42k unless some one can correct me.

...and how does the senior fo system work at Mon, is it 1500, 2000, 3000hrs or purley on time served? What difference does that make on pay?

Many thanx. :)

42k is SFO pay ALL start on this unless cadet which is lower. NO entry on higher salary. Wide body (scale B), does not matter which fleet, starts from No 1 on list and goes down, at the moment capt/fo with about 12 + years with company are getting scale B.

ppjn or balpa websites have full pay scales allowances etc

Join with 10000 hrs wide body L / R seat experience or 250 hrs you start at bottom of list.

Enjoy

Any idea when Monarch will be hiring non type-rated pilots ?

Regards P

One ex mil and one ex 737 start Monday morning on 757 course.

b&c

just moved to the top to save SEAMASTER shouting. Only 2 pages down.

Anybody heard anything recently regarding Monarch recruitment? Anyone who submitted a pilot profile heard anything yet?

Regards P.

You might have seen from the company website that some new routes are being launched from LTN next year.This will probably mean another 320 coming=jobs

only if you're dutch and are enrolled in CTC :E

Rumours of 20 new guys coming from CTC in winter.
If you have a rating then you have an advantage

Doubt that non type rated guys will be taken on from other airlines

Looks like I'll have to apply to KLM. Rumour has it the Dutch guys are entitled to career loans from their goverment (with very low rates of interest) in order for them to gain their ratings. A little unfair if this is so.

I've never heard a convincing explanation for why so many cloggies come via CTC???

They used to have a tie up with a big Dutch training school.

not a happy place, lots of people leaving, about £5k less per year than other operators and a worse pension deal by far.

Its more accurate to say, that the newish joiners on the capped pay scales are leaving.
There are serious questions that the management need to answer regarding flightcrew salaries, allowances, and the DC pension scheme.
Recently in a CC meeting, when asked, a senior management person refused to answer when questioned as to how many are working their notice. Most of those leaving are off to BA, VS, or Cathay.
The website states 5-6yrs to command, currently the company is looking at crews who joined in late 2004 -early 2005 for command upgrades when they achieve the required hours.
757/A300 fleet replacement is a joke, still no decision, the gossip is because of cost, or rather not being able to afford to pay for replacements.
Everyday MON becomes more like Easy/Ryan, everyday more are leaving to pastures fresh.

The figure 20 is what i have heard being banded around.

Monarch Man - you are mistaken, Easy and Ryan Air are well paid. Moanarch for a new joiner, is not like either of those two or come to think of it BA,VS,Thomas Cook, Air Two etc.
Try Jet 2 for your comparison.:*