I have watched this debate from afar and have sensibly (probably) held off from contributing but my nausea has reached such an extent that I feel compelled to contribute.I have been a Balpa member since 1976 and this encompasses my (fairly) recent tenure as a trainer with easy prior to moving on to bluer pastures.Can I state catagorically that there is only one language that will register with the easy hierarchy and that is total solidarity and commitment to an unwavering and unmoveable support for your union representatives backed up by significant membership levels.The management that oppose you are by far the most morally bankrupt in the industry.NSF,you were not noticeably vocal and supportive to the previous incumbents of the cc when you had the chance but better late than never,

good luck and b/rgds

Just vote no if you dont like the offer
 

Just remember everyone; the CC do not decide what is acceptable - THE MEMBERSHIP DOES! So dont blame the CC, or BALPA, if you find any outcome unacceptable.

No matter what happens, you always have the right to vote NO to any offer.

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and still the silence is deafening.......?

classic ploy. let it drag out. tell the CC you are going to the board and making every effort to get a better deal - delaying for months. troops get impatient then start to waver then miraculously a slightly improved offer comes and we all jump for it having lost the will. only thing it'll be at a price .

the CC's apparent willingness to discuss paying pilots ouside GB, F and D a lower wage for the same job is the first chip- and should have been rejected out of hand.:eek:

if anyone thinks surrendering someone elses 'basic' or conditions is an acceptable route to take so long as the majority benefit then sadly, we are approving our own demise.

Easyjet is already a two or three tier airline with highly unfair 'caveats' applying to minority sections to cut things to the bone. make a mess of this and we lose any good will from the growing european contingent forming a very welcome part of the company and also that of the SFO's and FO's who are the life-blood of the operations dept in the company.

dr - "the CC's apparent willingness to discuss paying pilots ouside GB, F and D a lower wage for the same job is the first chip- and should have been rejected out of hand."

You are 100% correct!! I thought it was only me, but getting into talks about this issue MUST be wrong!!! Right???!!!

/CP

The CC has made quite clear thay will NOT accept continental based pilots on UK contracts recieving different payment. They have simply said they are willing to look at the whole issue of OS based pilots. It might be benificial from a tax/pension/social security issue for a French pilot living and working in France to be paid and taxed in France.

To suggest that even examining the issue is some kind of cop-out is the kind of divisive cr@p that has kept us powerless up until now.

Weren't we supposed to hear today. Nothing from BALPA or the company in the post this morning. Anybody know anything>

done some quick maths.
Based on 500 sectors per annum, new deal is about a 2.5% increase, same as the last one.
Looks like smoke and mirrors to me

you were saying ???? wiz?? whats that ???? :yuk:

For those who are wondering what is happening, we have today received an offer that is being presented as a 3.5% pay rise overall backdated to last October plus a guaranteed 2.5% this coming October. In addition, significant concessions have been won - particularly for the French and German crews who were going to get zero pay rise with a pay cut some time down the line. There has also been a loss of sector pay and loyalty bonus in return for a significantly increased basic salary divided into 5 incremental bands between £69000 and £85650. A Captain with between 1 and 4 year's service, for example, will receive a rise from a basic of £66938 to £79162 - but the sector pay of £21.44 (taxable at 0.78) will reduce to £7.80 non-taxable. There is also a somewhat vague increase in pension which the company are calling 'the most generous in the industry'. Depending on your interpretation of what is being offered, it is between 3.2-6.4% based on recovery of employer's NI contributions. I have a number of questions on it myself, but that is the headline offer.

Slightly more disconcerting is that at the moment a 'figure war' is raging among the pilots over whether or not it is a pay rise! I will leave it to better brains than mine to work it out but my gut feeling is that it probably is!

As a sixth year capt, after much calculator bashing I'm about £500 worse off assuming on target earnings. Cheers.

NSF - The 2.5 % are NOT guaranteed...depends on the profit margins for the year..Right?:confused:

I too have done some calculator bashing and as a second year captain I reckon I am about 3.9% better off. Based on 450 sectors/year (that's what I did last year) and using an online tax calculator my calcs are as follows:

'Old Deal':

Loyalty bonus based on 5% of basic @ £66937 = £3347x0.6 (40% tax) = £2008 net

Annual Net Salary:

Sector Pay: 450x£21.44x0.78 (effective tax rate) = £7525

Total = £54167 after tax

'New Deal':

Annual Net Salary: £51845

Sector Pay: 450x£7.80 = £3510

Performance Bonus (same rates as senior management - say on target 2%): 1583x0.6 (40% tax) = £950

Total = £56305 after tax

Overall I think it is a reasonable if not stunning deal. I personally really like the incremental pay aspect.

Edit to answer Captain Prop: According to the joint declaration between management and BALPA, it says there is an absolute minimum guarantee of 2.5% in the second year if the company does not reach its targets.

NSF.

Did you take into account Night Stops, Training, Sims, Airport Standbys etc.

............Reduces your 2.5%.

Wonder if the crewrooms will now be full of crew on Airport Standby ............as it will cost the company nothing?

Not Good At All.

Deal Again CC

At a first glance it#s a NO from me...But I'll get back after reading up on the whole deal...
/CP

joke
 

the new deal is an insult. It is amounts to a 2% pay cut. remember, this is over two years, the targets for last years bonuses were not met, and it means we will all be on aiport standby or flying all the time.

Oh and Ojay check your messages. I need a chat.

Hmm, wondering. What I figure out, I do not have a paycut!!
Always on Airport stby? Try to be realistic!
There are many items on the deal to be excactly considered. I give it a night!

Which ones are you talking about?

Don't confuse this with the share EPS fiasco. That was something totally different.

I too will think about it over the next 2 weeks but my initial view is that it is in fact not a bad deal. I never expected perfection but some very significant steps have been made to ensure that we are not destined to receive endless pay cuts. My gut feeling at the moment is that at the end of the next financial year this will be a significant gain. I am not entirely certan about the pension but again it looks like a significant jump.

In common with the vast majority of pilots, I personally hardly ever do night stops so there are no losses there! Anyway, I will takee some time to think but it is looking a little bit better already - and a whole lot better than the original offer.

Ok, is it not correct that with current inflation rate it gives us about 1% payrise...? Company contribution towards pension remains at 7 %..... Tsss....hmpf...."Building a career airline".... We NEED to say NO! We are in a very strong position now and this is the time to get a good deal! This is the time to sort things out for the long term, so that we can move on and build a "proper" company!

I appreciate the CC's hard work but the way I see it it's not good enough.... Perhaps someone with more knowledge in maths and economy can explain to me how this COULD be a good deal for us...?:confused: