Leaving easy for Ryanair.. should I?
 

Anyone out there done this? Was it a mistake, or the best decision you ever made?

Ryanair pilots; should I leave easy for Ryanair?

(I am a NG 737 Capt 1000hrs+ LHS)

Any insight would be appreciated.

ARE YOU CRAZY???

RYR is the worst working place you can imagine...

Money is ok but very bad CRM...

why you wanna leave easy??????? What makes you think anothe lcc will be any different? is it the lifestyle, crew, management? or the 5/4/5/2 rota system. If it is the latter why don't you opt out

Three guys that I know that came from easy are very happy here. Much more of a family lifestyle than easy. PM me and we can talk

5254 is killing me.

I am working 200miles/3hours away from home, with no prospect of a return to my home base.

My lifestyle is crap.

The management don't care about us.

Bearing in mind our responsibilities, how hard we work etc etc the money is poor.

need I go on?

"very bad CRM......."??? Bit of a strange response IMHO! You may choose to expand upon that one Captainic?

Fact is that FR suits some and not all, much like other companies. What I HOPE Captainic is referring to is that if you fall over in Ryanair don't expect mummy to "kiss it better". They wouldn't be the most people orientated company to work for. Just go to work, do ya job and go home. Take the money! People have left EZ to join them and I happen to know two who are not sorry. Hopefully any one or more of them will reply here and try to give you a balanced opinion having experienced both. I await with interest! :ok:

hotnhi

If 5/2/5/4 is 'killing' you, simply opt out and you'll carry on living!

If I opt out, working away from home, it will mean less time at home. 5254 is bad, opt out is worse (for me).

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My lifestyle is crap.

The management don't care about us.


Same deal in FR.

5-3-5, and when you want annual leave, good luck!

Banon, doubt it!

MK

Very strong rumour going around FR are going to go 5 on 4 off from next year to try and attract people like yourself. 5k a month take home as a joe average line captain no LTC or sim increments.

I have said it before if you are going to stay in Low Cost it boils down to money and time off and EZY just doesnt cut it. FR on every count.

As an aside plenty guys come over to FR from EZY but never lost a guy the other way yet in STN! That has to count for something. And most of the guys that do come are in general pleasantly surprised at what they find.

PS have to admit leave has been a thorny subject this year but is being addressed.

if easy is killing you i'm curious why you think fr would be any different.

the lifestyle ain't nothing to write home about. 5 earlies (more frequently reporting at 0530 local) 3 off 5 lates (more frequently finishing at 2355 local) 3 off. 7-8 hours block most days. i challenge the idiot who decided that was a great lifestyle to try it.

sure, come on in. but i'm sure you'll find the water just as tepid as you're finding at easy.

hotnhi

No doubt the RYR base is 250 miles and 3hrs 30 mins away!
You cant work for an LCC and live miles away, either move house or leave EZY.
You made the wrong choice somewhere along the line... :\

The Ryanair base I am looking for is 8 miles/15 min away from home.
The wrong choice I made was to trust easyJet managements promises when I accepted my command coupled with a base 200 miles away and promises of an early return home.
THAT'S why (as well as reasons above) I'm looking to leave easy.:*

Errmmmmm.... well don't expect that to be any different here - BUT we are so desperate for guys at the moment that they will undoubtedly give you your ema base from the outset so it seems to fall in your favour here! Good luck anyhow. It works for me:ok:

Have they ever done that?

I have to say that I am surprised that Ryanair have such a clause in the contract. Surely they realise that that one sentence will stop many people from joining them. Is that why they are so short of pilots?

hotnhi
Yes of course RYR have, the grass is GREEN. Many a story of Pilots living in XXX and being based at ZZZ, and Pilots living at ZZZ being based at XXX.
That said with RYR increasing at EMA by 2 aircraft the timing could be good. I would personally select TFLY at Coventry or even Doncasters not a million miles from EMA never a negative comment about them on this forum.
You cant commute working for EZY it will end in divorce or death on the roads. Or you making a mistake on the aircraft because you drove to LGW before your oo early hours report on day 1


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with your CV I would also speak to Excel

Do Excel suddenly have a base in EMA then? :rolleyes:
I shouldn't make comparisons with Excel and Ryanair or EZ on the pay front - they don't come even close if money features highly on yr wish list. Oh and you're as likely to be fobbed off onto FR for the winter season anyhow. May as well head straight there and earn the bucks no?

No, but they do have a base in Manchester which isn't a million miles away from the Midlands, and like others have said, there is no certainty that EMA will be given to hotnhi.

You'd think guys already in the company would be given priority witha new base woudn't you.????:8

there is a lot of grumbling at RYR but a great deal of it comes form a relatively small minority. many of us are quite happy. If you are a direct entry captain then I think you will find it quite a reasonable place to work - so long as your expectations are realistic. aircraft maintenance is excellent, punctuality genuinely superb. money ok although not quite as excellent as the headline figures make it seem. crews are ok and roster stability good. if you want to work near where you live then you may need to consider moving house. do not make the error of ecpecting a 'nice' place to work, RYR is extremely straightforward and bull!!!! or incompetence do not go down well. if you can do the job without making a fuss then welcome, we seem to need a lot more pilots. you can always leave if you don't like it

Flyingsand

We're in the airline business not intergallactic space travel - nowhere on earth is a million miles away :rolleyes: The guy wants to be based in EMA and would, it appears consider coventry. Manch is a far stretch from the 8 mins he could be in work if he got EMA (which in my humble opinion he would get).

Yes, though, you would like to think guys already in the company would be considered for priority. That pre-supposes that all are however equal........ But they're not are they? :hmm:

Manch would still be closer than that and opens up a number of airline possibilities rather than feeeling stuck just to LCC's, and may negate the need to commute 5 days a week too. Also the possibility of DHL out of EMA??? ;)
or anything suitable out of Brum???



Depends how many times you go round the world to get there
:rolleyes: :zzz:

......ah now ya tryin to confuse me wid maffamatics! :{

Most guys that have made the jump say there is not a lot of differance. Roster is better at FR but dealing with management much worse. I would say you would have a better roster but you need a pretty thick skin. If you get upset easily FR is not for you.

leaving easy
 

hotnhi has been left high and dry with good advice from fellow ppruners :ok:

hotnhi,

Give it a try.

Everybody is expanding and short of captains.

"Base me here/there or I quit." See what happens. You may succeed. If not, you are no worse off than before.

Alternatively, you can appraoch the opposition and say "I will join if based XYZ." If they agree, get it in writing, as many have had their 'gentleman's agreement' dishonoured.

At least do something!

I think it's a very good advice from previous poster. Now is the time to move and try if you are unhappy.
As some suggested, why not check out other airlines. there should be more options than just Easy and FR.

Does Ryanair have any interline agreement wiyh anyone !

Thanks

'inter line' what is that all about ?

:yuk:

hotnhi,

RYR defenitely will be no worse than EZY. RYR is straight forward and has a stable roster with no overnights, which is good for a family lifestyle.

If you want lifestyle/ days off it might be worth considering a Brookfield contract with RYR. If you don't mind moving around the base network for a working week (to where you can position and back for free and FR flights) this will give you 5 on 5 off! Otherwise it will be 5 and 3 with a fixed base.

About this clause in the contract for base changes. This is more applicable to cadets, since they can be pushed around more. As a capt. with experience you can tell them that you will join only when you get base XXX and they will most likely honour your request since RYR, as any other airline at the moment, is/ will be short of experienced pilots. If they talk about a base change after you already joined, just tell them you will resign if they do move you. That should sort that problem for you.

About this 5 and 4 roster that might happen. This is not so much for attracting new pilots, as some suggest, but more for spreading the hours of the pilots. On the current 5 and 3 a lot of pilots run out of hours before the end of the year.

RYR and interline...........NO,none. But with the RYR salary you can afford to buy a normal ticket :) There are staff travel deals with other things though and you can also use Touchdown.

Hope this helps a bit for your decision.

Good luck,

Rgds,

Ptt

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Definite ... Certain ... Sure? Really!!?? How about a different point of view:

- Things that happen at EZY are a result of incompetence, lack of planning and fire-fighting.

- Things that happen at FR are a result of “intelligent design” and any promises made today are only good until … ?

- If bad things happen to you, you will become part of the disgruntled lot.

- If bad things don’t happen to you, you may express similar opinions.

It is not heaven or hell in RYR. In general; There will be always happy and unhappy people in a company. People like to bitch and moan anyway, wright or wrong, whatever the circumstances, just human nature. Makes it hard to get a good impression of something since it often depends on who you talk to.

And for promises. It depends on who makes them and get things in writing. If they will not give it in writing you know there is no guarantee and it might not happen. RYR is as simple as that.;)

Pilots in RYR are getting in a better position (best in years) to negotiate things, since they are more hard to get. If you do not apply and try to get the deal you want you will never know and should not judge really.

Cheers,

Ptt

Thanks to you all for you insight, especially those taking the time to PM me. It is appreciated.
I am still considering a number of options, and will consider all that you have said carefully before making any decisions.

PS I don't commute the 2x200 miles every day, whilst working I live away from home, thats the main problem.

SAFE FLYING :ok: