Or how about leaving Gatwick at 2100 and operating to Accra, Ghana. This is followed by a 90 minute turnround (if you are lucky) and deadheading (6h 45min block) in a charter seat to return to Gatwick.

A regular occurence on the A300/B757 last summer.

Some people even got rostered to do the same thing to Banjul, Gambia (6 hours each way) the previous day!

What fun and completely legal. People are potentially getting sacked for having a couple of glasses of wine the night before a flight while this type of rostering is still allowed.

If the 767 is entering the Monarch fleet why not use the same crew which are now flying the 757? It is a common type rating.

ocho gardena

Genius....if only the airline had thought of that.........:mad:

Who else do you think will be flying the 767?

No answer as yet to the "holding pool" post back a while.

Are they still sifting through applications or can we assume that nothing heard from a CV sent before Christmas is bad news??

I know about 5 guys that have been interviewed and offered jobs the same day.

It did seem that they needed people for immediate starts due to a 757 course that has already commenced. Don't be surprised if you don't hear, takes a while for Monarch's slick and well planned recruitement procedure to get up to speed.

Tongue removed from cheek.

Mondriver,

Nice attitude. Perhaps you are the reason why some Monarch drivers want to leave - I'm sure you're fun to fly with... Another jacka$$ with a short temper.

Mondriver was only pointing out the obvious!

Another jacka$$ with a short temper.
 

So what do that make you??????????

Alloy and Unwiseowl,

Some people are not familiar with cross-qualification or that 757s and 767s have common cockpits. Not everyone on these boards is an aviation genious like you are! It's not so obvious to everyone. Plus, Mondriver's statement doesn't add anything to the conversation - it is a slam and worthless to the discussion.

Instead of slamming people who aren't so familiar, why not provide some good information focusing on Monarch and its operation. That's the point.

The point is Riker you threw your toys out of the pram, enough said :hmm:

EGGW

This is incorrect. The ex-CTC pilots employed as of 1st November last year are on £31047 to be precise. And bonded for £12k despite line flying for six months with no salary. When they have 1000 company hours they move to point 1, ie. £39k.

With experienced guys coming in on £39k, we'll have the odd situation of pilots higher on the seniority list earning lower salaries!

Monarch is still a great company to work for but as in any organisation you will get the whingers. The reality is that more and more of us are going to be working our 900 contract hours in the future so if it doesn't appeal to you stay away from aviation.

Concerning scale C, the dispute with the company at the moment isn't about improving scale C but about maintaining the differential between scale A&B and scale C.( ie pilots are concerned that when the majority of pilots are on scale C they will use their advantage to improve their conditions at the expense of A&B)

If you want a free rating, fly plenty of hours and be part of a rapidly changing airline, then apply. Sitting around for someone to offer you the perfect flying job is a mugs game.

Back to bed

"The point is Riker you threw your toys out of the pram, enough said

EGGW"

You're hilarious! Did everyone read that? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Got an interview next week.

What is the deal with staff travel. The more detail the better.

Pin

Don't join for the staff travel. I've yet to find a deal from Staff Travel that can't be beaten by the likes of Touchdown, TIS or interlinebookers. After many years of trying you can now just turn up and travel on a stby basis but if you've got firm plans then its still easier (and probably cheaper) getting confirmed with somebody else. After eight years though you do get a confimed flight free every year (shorthaul only) or a discount on a Cosmos package. Neither worth much but better than nothing. Occasionaly something good will turn up at a discount (e.g Santa Flights) but these always seems to be embargoed pretty quickly.

what is the official roster pattern for A320 out of MAN and how does it change for Summer/Winter?

Thanks

There is not an "Official Roster Pattern" unless very busy counts! Summer is very busy and winter is also very busy! Most A320 MAN flights are Monarch Scheduled flights (In winter less crews are brought into MAN to cover the flights).:rolleyes:

I'm MAN Fly By Wire - the Summer vs Winter roster pattern is very similar. It averages out somewhere between a minimum of 12 to a maximum of 18 flights per month. As we're doing predominantly scheduled work on the FBW fleet - it will typically be a run of 4/5 earlies or lates with 2 days off in between the next block of work - possibly 3 days between blocks with a Rest Day added to the days off. Standbys are few and far between - my Jan roster has 5 days longhaul away from base [I'm 320/321/330]10 days shorthaul, a weeks leave, 6 days off, 1 rest day, 1 standby and 1 classroom ground duty - busy? yes - but it's that time of year.

DF

ductedFan/Alloy - cheers for the reply!

Much better dealer knocked out between the company and BALPA for new joiners - makes staying long term more attractive.

Mainly an opportunity to move on to wide body scales with seniority.

Those who have joined in the last few weeks (or are about to join) should be very pleasantly surprised. Other things can be worked on in the future.

Cuillin

Thanks for the info. Would you happen to know or like to guess what improvements have been made.

Deal is, basically, as it was up until the company tried to introduce Scale C (ie pre 1.11.04) but minus the following still:

Permanent Health Insurance
20 year loyalty bonus(extra 3%) and
First Officer Pay Bridge

Company will not provide above to new joiners as most other companies do not offer these benefits any more.

Negotiations have gained extra increments and a widebody allowance once you hit a predetermined position on the seniority list.

Otherwise package is as it was previously.

Pension is money purchase still and is unlikely to change in near future due to the cost risk to the company (just like any other company)

Package is still not as good as you would have got if you had joined a few years ago but is much better than existed this time last week.

There is also now a bar of scale 10 that new joiners can not pass. Deal has to be voted on.

"Also there is a bar of scale 10 which new joiners cannot pass."
So what exactly does this mean? :confused:

It means new pilot's pay scales are capped at a maximum increment of year ten on a unified pay scale unlike pre November 2004 employees.

This deal must mean that the job offers and the new commands can become firm, rather than "subject to reaching a settlement with BALPA". A bit of a relief for those who've already handed in their notices to come to Monarch.

Not to be in the dark so to speak but could someone who is in the know and ideally a Monarch pilot clarify the latest topic on this thread!!

There are a few people who have recently joined who would most certainly be interested in the revised contract. I know a few to say the least including myself! A full run down of the differences to the last contract would be great.

Thanks in advance.

Full details are unlikly to be out until after Balpa members have been balloted on the new proposal later in Feb. Until then it is far better than what was previously on offer so here's looking to the future.:hmm:

If you've recently joined, you can get the details on the Monarch section of the BAPLA website.

So the Basic is now £41,680 for the new joiners is that correct?

No Basic is still £39000.

Dont get too euphoric : for new entrants there isn`t changing anything in the near future with the proposal. There is a unified scale which keeps the guys on the old contracts happy and which makes the new entrants hopeful.
Personally I see it as an improvement, but I am not sure if it changes my mind on the fact that quit some people will still see Monarch as a stepping stone to something greener.

NLB,

Very wrong!

Every body in M is happy with settlement, it addressed all our worries. It was not about a pay rise, that is the next fight.

NLB,

The old 'B' scale is now open to all including new joiners. It is simply based on senioirity and the number of wide bodied aircraft. With the current expansion and increase in wide bodied aircraft we can expect that all new joiners will progress to scale 'B' at some point in the future.

I hope that new joiners realise the fight that we had in order to secure their passage onto this scale. Whilst current employees may feel more secure about the future the new deal also significantly benefits newbies.

P.S. All of the above is subject to a vote by current Monarch pilots

NLB ,

"Many MON pilots talking about leaving the union".

Just what the Company would want. Paint the Union as the Bogey man, when in reality it is the Company that changed things and refused to budge. If the union aren't able to change things for the better they require more support - not less!

Thanks to those that have responded. As a new joiner I am curious to see what is being fought for. For those doing the fighting on behalf of all the pilots at Monarch including newbies many thanks.

I as many realise that the industry is changing and T's and C's have been on the decline in recent years. This has happened everywhere and is not limited to aviation. The simple fact is companies are becoming fiscally responsible for the lack of a better term and massive losses are no longer acceptable to share holders or the governments that support them.

I think most people in any job would give up a little to maintain a healthy company balance sheet and piece of mind. I am sure there are many especially in the US aviation world who would agree. That being said employees and their organisations must keep a close eye on things and try and maintain a healthy balance with trust.

I look forward strapping on a Monarch machine and getting to know the people who work there. Any other info on what is being talked about ot voted on for that matter is appreciated!!

NLB

How extraordinary. How utterly bizzare. Thank you for sharing your unique insight. Seems strange that whilst many pilots are "talking of leaving the union" more of their colleages seem to be joining.

Good luck to those of you about to join. As has been said before,there are a great bunch of guys out there on, both sides of the door, but the Company has changed for the worse since arrival of new MD several years ago. He has no people skills whatsoever and as an ex accountant ( aren't they all),he only has one thought on his mind........how to save more money.
Staff travel is crap anyway so i wouldn't get too excited about that and as for the rosters,the word stable is unheard of (18 changes in 1 month alone was my record).Many of the long flights will routinely exceed FTL's while on others you will join the hordes of unwashed while you deadhead,in uniform,back from delightful places such as Tel Aviv at 4am.............mmmmmmm!As for any sort of bonus or profit share,forget it.Even the insulting gesture of a £25 M&S voucher at Xmas was stopped as soon as new MD arrived.The Directors still get their bonuses though!
Good points such as final salary Pension,loss of licence,etc are NOT the same for new guys and I fear are likely to be eroded in years to come. Once they get over 50% of guys on new pension then they can stop old one which i'm sure will happen sooner or later. Like EGGW,I too left several years ago as I could see the rot starting to set in which was a shame because I miss the people but not the Company.This expansion may well prove me wrong,and for the sake of my collegues whom i've left behind I hope it does,but Monarch is not the Company it once was and I wasn't prepared to spend another 20yrs flogging my guts out for the benefit of the few at the top and Monarch's secretive owners!
I wish the Union well in their efforts to improve the T & C's and hope they manage to achieve something worthwile......for a change!

MachBuffet,

Think of the username as initials, and then you might realise that there is no point in rising to the bait!!

Doorpost,

I might be wrong, but when I had my interview, I was told the only bases were LGW, LTN and MAN.

I was told that BHX isn't going to be a flightdeck base, rather a place where I may be spending some nights at a local hotel.

I guess things have changed now, and due to expansion they have realised it would be cheaper to base pilots there.