plikee

Gender doesn’t count. However, 7 points per kid is actually pushing it as it is quite a low number for germany. Usually kids would bring around 10 points. But as always, the system will be challenged and negotiated in front of an employment court, as one absolutely has to sue his (former) employer for unfair dismissal in germany, it’s absolutely normal and usually seen as a requires step. At least it will result in a higher severance payout, in the best case the company has to continue employment.

By the way, adopted kids count the same.

Denti

The reference to the gender was a sarcastic joke as EZY launched a pilot recruitment campaign target only at women not that far ago. I understand where the points for kids come from but still extremely unfair unless it takes personal circumstances into consideration - as Plastic787 said, couples with fertility issues are extremely penalised, they have probably just spent thousands of €€€ to have at least one shot of having a kid. So they don't have a kid, they have probably spent a bigger amount of their salaries towards a kid that they don't have yet (and might never have) and still get unemployed.

Fair & protecting families, eh?

Yes, it is protecting existing families. As the law is applicable for concrete situations that have to be solved right now, and not in a coulda woulda probably at some point future. And of course, fertility treatment is free in most german health insurances (at least half of the cost has to be covered by law anyway), so there is no significant cost attached to that procedure. The law simply requires to take into account what exists right now, and yes, its aim is to protect kids and families, those that do exist. There is no question about the reason behind the kids being there or not, that is indeed a personal matter, just if they are there, they are to be protected. It is not new by any means, that law has existed for many decades, just the points in approved point systems have changed over times to reflect the increasingly lower number of kids, which makes them more important and therefore valuable. As each european working law is very much different, there are always more thinks to take into account before moving to a country and working there than just the contract itself.

In my country it is actually the same bulls..t. If you have kids, you get all kind of benefits( (not only tax way) also for energy bills, buying properties etc, while ppl like me, singles, have to pay the highest taxes. But what do we get in return? Zip, zero, nada!!! I have to make the ends meet myself If i loose my job, i can not pay the bills nor food on the table. I don't have a partner who is working as well and backing me up. I really would like to call it discrimination and getting more and more irritated about it.

In our system singles are always considered as ppl who don't want to have responsibilities, want to be free, want to party etc etc. In fact our society is more and more shifting to (happy) singles. People who got divorced, people whose partner got passed away, people who really want to find a partner but are simply unlucky , and yes, ppl who prefer to be alone. So it is not that all singles choose to be single. I see a lot in my country that this group of people are simply getting ignored, they are 'non-existing', except if it goes about paying.

Our tax system is not up to date anymore, it is based on the 60's where starting a family is the norm. Well times are changed and i don't see the justification anymore why families should get everything. Like said before, having kids is a choice, but i don't see a reason why i have to pay for that. Yes i do know they will work for your and my pension in the end but we, as a society, are too much depending on our authorities to take care of everything. The current tax system is sometimes tweeked a bit here, a bit there, a bit here. Wrong. It should be reformed and adapted to the current society, meaning that: you want kids, fine you can but you pay yourself for that.

I am a big defender of a flat tax rate system. You wanna work your ass of, good, you get rewarded. You dont want to work more but rather enjoy life? No problem, you won't get punished and pay the same tax percentage. It is a system that allow the working class to choose rather than 'having to'. Taxes will have to be paid for sure but will be spend to the more needy people: sickness, people with a low wage, ppl who got unfit because of an accident, ppl who lost their job etc. The higher your income, the less benefits you get (no matter what your status is!!!!) but because you pay much lower taxes, you can provide yourself more.

Sorry i had to react and defend the 'forgotten' group.

Anyone who dosent have kids should be able to survive easily off of whatever savings they had or reskill until the situation improves, they have the freedom to move anywhere they need to provide a new income. The difference is a few less luxuries in your life compared to someone who NEEDS to provide food and shelter for other people, and society rightly looks after them first. Nobody should have kids if they don't want the responsibility, and the kind of people who are crying above definitely shouldn't have them.

My wife and I would like to have kids, but as long as I still have 85000 euro study debt, and my wife about half that (she is an oncologist) we decided to wait until we both are debt free.
Its comforting reading from you that we are easily able to live from our savings (what savings). And reskill (again, we don’t have the money)
And we need to separate if I take a job elsewhere because she had to buy her way in in the hospital (dutch system is messed up).
dont get me wrong, I am actually in favor of the German system! But your look at things is just wrong.

I think its inevitable that 500 plus easyjet pilots will be made redundant by this June. There will be no recovery of significance this year it just won't happen. Once the govt stop furlough its game over. Lots of bad news RNS will be dropped in March April time how things were worse than expected.

Well. Some thoughts.

UK AOC. Cut to the bone with 3/4 of workforce on various part time contracts.
Germany. CR already affecting the workforce there.
Italy. Base closures. Possibly more redundancy to come but not much.
France. Strong Unions but foresee base closures (like UK) but how many redundacies who knows.

We in the UK have been geared for FTE of bare minimum numbers. But who knows when you have a false postive pandemic and a testing regime which requires those with no symptoms to be tested. Bonkers. If this carries on there will be nothing flying. No tourism industry in Portugal,Spain and Greece and Italy. The end of EU as the rich North throw the poor south to the dogs and they do individual deals with UK to save their economies. Or who the **** knows?

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Remind me, why are the hospitals full and why do some countries have extreme excess mortality if all this is is a false positive pandemic?

Also, with regards to testing: Ever heard of pre-symptomatic spread? It's a real thing. Proven and undisputed amongst the experts. Maybe better stick to posting about things you actually know something about.

Apart from that there’s no planed base-closures in Italy but a large reduction of the fleet in the two smaller bases. France are negotiating a 2 year deal with no reductions but a government supported part-time solution. So whatever thoughts on the subject you might have Douglas, they are not correct..

Brave post Douglas & I too, look around and see a great deal of "bonkers" readily swallowed by the gullible. I was going to leap in with an exhortation to ready yourself for vitreolic attack from the most obvious quarters but, there they were, one after another. For the time being, you, I and many out there still have freedom of expression of views. To the delight of many posters, I fear for curtailment.

No, feel free to express your views but be prepared to be called out when spouting nonsense. That's not to say we should accept everything we are told at face value but many conspiracy theories are just that and toxic as well as dangerous for our society.

Mods: I know this is not exactly on topic but when fake facts are posted it's important to be allowed to counter them.

aviationvictim

9 airplanes out in Italy in 2021, that is roughly 50 FD crew. There is no way -unfortunately- that they will manage to keep everybody.

State support in italy most likely to be extended till April 2022, and hopefully by that time those numbers will come down significantly

Hope they will, but there will be some redundancies for sure, unless easy decides to reboost the aircrafts numbers in Italy for 2022 and that is highly unlikely.

If you say so.

They said the same about the UK, and look what happened there

Never said there would be no redundancies. That is yet to be negotiated. What I did say was there’s no planned base-closures neither in Italy or France. Please read the post before you comment.

Not trying to put words in your mouth, that was my personal comment related to the fleet reduction.

Fingers crossed !

Nice to see the Directors looking after themselves...
 

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