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I fully agree with RVR800 and I especially like that last comment.

Things will pick up. They won't be the same. Live with that. The future is very seldom 'the same' as the past. Adapt.

Forget ideas of your "worth" or that you are paid for your "expertise" or your "responsibility". You are paid what can be afforded. If the business is a lot less, expect your pay to be less. Full Stop.

And when things pick up you will need a job. There are a lot of pilots to chose from. Having publicly posted that this "could be the best opportunity for pilots to get back what they deserve" might not be the best opening line to have with your job application. And "Age 40, Vlaams, F/O (probably with Flybe?), fairly recently qualified (still repaying the loan), drove vans for Morrisons" shouldn't take the likes of Mma Ramotswe too long to pick that application out from the pile. I really hope you do get a flying job, it is never good to see fellow pilots out of work, but the way you are going about it you may be driving those vans for a long time still.

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Originally Posted by Hawker400 (Post 10728149)

Personally I think it will take a long time before the average person to have anything close to a safety net to be able to travel freely.

Just as a point of order, how much of a safety net do you realistically believe people had before Covid-19 to afford their travels? The whole reason the whole economic house of cards exists in the first place is that people spend beyond their means. People have short memories, that’s unlikely to change after this. I mean I get the sentiment that there is unlikely to be spare cash around, but that’s just as true for the pre Covid-19 times as the post virus climate.

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Originally Posted by RexBanner (Post 10730125)

Precisely. I've been trying to say that for days. Just couldn't find the words

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Originally Posted by Smooth Airperator (Post 10724759)

One solution to tackle corporate greed and runaway executive pay/bonuses is a co-operative style of operation where the company is run for the benefit of employees and customers, not greedy shareholders and executives who care about neither. If you want to launch one, we'll all be right behind you. Sadly, co-ops suffer from a chronic lack of finance and funding because the banks always want a healthy stake before they hand over the cash.

I'm a "greedy shareholder" in a completely different industry. The stock market is very good at allowing people to invest where they think they will get the best return on their money.
Why would I invest in an unorthodox co-operative unless it is going to give me a similar return on my investment?

Unless, as a working member of the coop, I have good reason to believe that it will do better than other investments (can you say "inside trading"?), or I am somehow emotionally invested in the service the coop provides (eg: a medical centre in a remote rural community which I live in), then I would be daft to put both my eggs (my investments and my employment income) in the same basket.

Like pilots trying to hold their employers to ransom during a period of dramatically reduced demand for their services, co-ops don't make any sense except in very special circumstances.