A Lovestory - How to get a job with an EASA CPL (A) in the USA
Good evening community,
tonight, I'm asking for your help so that my lovestory may end well. :) I'm a C56X rated young pilot, holding an EASA CPL (frozen ATPL) and working as a Copilot on the Cessna 560 XLS/XLS+ in Germany. Also, if this is for any importance for anyone who could maybe help, I'm also holding an FAA PPL and having a Masters Degree in Aeronautical Engineering and working experience in Continuing Airworthiness. Unfortunately I fell in love with a girl in Atlanta, USA. Which possibilities do you see for me to work as a pilot in the US with my current EASA CPL? Right now I'm seeing two options: 1. "Convert" my EASA CPL to FAA CPL. However, after doing some research, I found out that this would basically mean to do the entire FAA CPL. Correct? Also, it would be hard to find a job thereafter, as I'm having less than 1500 hours TT. 2. Find an operator of an EASA registered Aircraft in the US. This would allow me to work for that operator in the US. Correct? But how to find such operator? And are there any more terms concerning the operator and its kind of operation so that I would be allowed to work for him? ANY comment, any help, any idea is highly appreciated! Thank you! |
It is very competitive to get a job in the states. There is a thread about it, you can find and read it. There is no frozen ATPL in states. You basically have to work yrself from 0 to 1500 TT. And even after you did it, it doesn’t guarantee a job.
The way how all Americans does it is, starts with a PPL then IR then CPL. In the pass you need a multi eng for CPL, but now you just need a retractable year airplane and you can knock off yr CPL. After which, you get yr CFI SEL, then start instructing and accumulate hours towards 1500. Most of them transit to charted and accumulate turbine time hopefully. Looking at it, you need a lot of time and money to get a CFI job first. Hope this helps. |
Before you can take any commercial training in the USA as a non-american you need to look into visa and TSA requirements. I would recommend to get a medical first (1), then look into getting in touch with a school that can help you with a visa(2). When you can get a visa you can get a TSA clearance(3). Then you can complete a CPL training (4), then you can start applying for jobs (5).
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All That Rice and Gravy Too!
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- Ed :ok: |
Your immigration status is going to be far more limiting than converting your CPL.
Whats your plan for that? |
Get on tinder!
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As others said before, your license is not the limiting factor, the work permit is/will be.
You need the right to live and work in the US, which you will most likely not get as a pilot (especially with not much experience). Maybe finding an employer in the US with your master's degree is more likely if you have specialised work experience. Otherwise, and I hate to break it to you - even if you get married to your girlfriend, it will take a year or two until you get your work and residence permits for the US. Unfortunately "pilot" is neither a job that's rare nor skilled enough for you to be attractive to the US employment market - especially as a foreigner. I myself have EASA & FAA licenses and 4000+ hours and wouldn't give it a shot simply because I lack the necessary visas. It's unrealistic unless you have a US company to sponsor your visa application. Why not get her to move over to Europe for a while - that's definitely gonna be easier. She can enjoy a new country and its culture, there's lots of English-speaking jobs depending on where you live, esp. in the bigger cities, and you can in the meantime build hours for experience. With that said - it'll take a while on a bizjet for you to reach anything that's "experienced enough" for a good pilot gig in the US. Maybe a low-cost airline will get you there faster... (900 hrs a year) |
You need to try to win the Green Card by applying to the official lottery, provided Trump has not cancelled that, or marry an American. After this, everything will be easy.
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Originally Posted by VinRouge
(Post 10676037)
Get on tinder!
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Get on tinder! |
Originally Posted by INNflight
(Post 10676039)
As others said before, your license is not the limiting factor, the work permit is/will be.
You need the right to live and work in the US, which you will most likely not get as a pilot (especially with not much experience). Maybe finding an employer in the US with your master's degree is more likely if you have specialised work experience. Otherwise, and I hate to break it to you - even if you get married to your girlfriend, it will take a year or two until you get your work and residence permits for the US. Unfortunately "pilot" is neither a job that's rare nor skilled enough for you to be attractive to the US employment market - especially as a foreigner. I myself have EASA & FAA licenses and 4000+ hours and wouldn't give it a shot simply because I lack the necessary visas. It's unrealistic unless you have a US company to sponsor your visa application. Why not get her to move over to Europe for a while - that's definitely gonna be easier. She can enjoy a new country and its culture, there's lots of English-speaking jobs depending on where you live, esp. in the bigger cities, and you can in the meantime build hours for experience. With that said - it'll take a while on a bizjet for you to reach anything that's "experienced enough" for a good pilot gig in the US. Maybe a low-cost airline will get you there faster... (900 hrs a year) |
From someone who was in the same situation (a while ago):
The only thing that you need to worry about is a work permit. There is not a single company that will sponsor your application for a work visa as a pilot. You might get a visum based on your degree, but that would prevent you from working as a pilot. The only way (AFAIK) to get a work permit is to get married. When I did this I got my then girlfriend to come over to the Netherlands, we filed the paperwork, and a few months later I had a green card (I was working as a pilot in the EU back then, and came over to the US every month on the waiver program. If you apply for a green card in the US you have to stay here, if you apply in the EU you can visit the US on the waiver program, at least this is how it worked back then, in 2002). This is what I would do: - See if you can fastrack a Green Card through an American Embassy/Consulate in Germany (the only requirement for my wife to prove residency in the EU was physical presence, but that might have changed). - Get an FAA medical (if you have an EU medical, you will not fail an FAA one). - Get your FAA CPL (better, if you can get your 1500hr TT, get your FAA ATP, got to https://atpflightschool.com/ , and see what it would cost. - get a corporate job as an XL pilot in the USA, and get hired by a regional/LCC as soon as you can. All this will take at least a year, and a lot of money. You could consider having your girl move, but realistically, not a lot of Americans would like to live in Germany. They love coming for October Fest, but when they realize they will have to be fluent in german to be accepted, the shine wears of. Similarly, it won't be easy for you to move to the states and give up your country (Germany won't let you keep dual citizenship, and with a green card you are one speeding ticket away from being deported). I made the move, and 15 years later am happy, but it wasn't easy....... Edit, to answer your questions specifically: 1) Redoing or converting would probably be close in time & effort. FAA is much easier to get than EASA (I did both). 2) I would be surprised to see any EU-REG in the USA, it is generally cheaper to have an N-number (that's why you see N in the EU...) |
Get a job with Virgin! I’ve currently got 5 Atlanta’s this month!! 😂
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Does an FAA ATP make one more employable internationally?(e.g. middle east/ far east)
someone mentioned that the FAA ATP, unlike some ICAO licenses that expire ever 5 years. is this correct? |
and with a green card you are one speeding ticket away from being deported).
Not true. |
Originally Posted by alphamargins
(Post 10677059)
Does an FAA ATP make one more employable internationally?(e.g. middle east/ far east)
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Originally Posted by viking767
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and with a green card you are one speeding ticket away from being deported).
Not true.
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