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cessnapete 15th Apr 2019 06:54

Virgin Atlantic
 
Doesnít seem a happy place to join, having had a crew member stay with me recently.
Very little roster stability, last minute trip changes, some at the airport on trip check in. Maximum hours planned with mainly repetitive fatiguing Atlantic nightsops with the odd Lagos.
Although his fleet has an extensive Caribbean network, time off and trip bid choices rarely awarded, with only a couple of Caribbean trips ln last year or so.
It also appears seniority not apparent in B787 course progression, as more junior pilots allocated at random.
With such a seemingly poor rostering system, sickness seems the only way to regulate stress and fatigue at the moment.
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StopStart 15th Apr 2019 21:32

Change the record thereís a good chap :rolleyes:

hans brinker 15th Apr 2019 21:58


Originally Posted by cessnapete (Post 10447782)
Doesnít seem a happy place to join, having had a crew member stay with me recently.
Very little roster stability, last minute trip changes, some at the airport on trip check in. Maximum hours planned with mainly repetitive fatiguing Atlantic nightsops with the odd Lagos.
Although his fleet has an extensive Caribbean network, time off and trip bid choices rarely awarded, with only a couple of Caribbean trips ln last year or so.
It also appears seniority not apparent in B787 course progression, as more junior pilots allocated at random.
With such a seemingly poor rostering system, sickness seems the only way to regulate stress and fatigue at the moment.
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max hours 750 / year....

Riskybis 16th Apr 2019 07:03


Originally Posted by cessnapete (Post 10447782)
Doesnít seem a happy place to join, having had a crew member stay with me recently.
Very little roster stability, last minute trip changes, some at the airport on trip check in. Maximum hours planned with mainly repetitive fatiguing Atlantic nightsops with the odd Lagos.
Although his fleet has an extensive Caribbean network, time off and trip bid choices rarely awarded, with only a couple of Caribbean trips ln last year or so.
It also appears seniority not apparent in B787 course progression, as more junior pilots allocated at random.
With such a seemingly poor rostering system, sickness seems the only way to regulate stress and fatigue at the moment.
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Just been reading through your past posts ......
not really a fan of VS are you :}
obviously I canít talk for everyone at Virgin , but being on the 787 fleet is probably one of the best jobs going in the uk .
I do 3 , 4 (MAX) trips a month and fly with some real good guys and girls
Compared to my previous employer Big Air itís a breath of fresh air and I never look back

speedrestriction 16th Apr 2019 08:16

Aye mate, rolling 800+ hrs SH loco with plenty of newbies here - give me a second while I take out my fiddle and play a lament.

All the guys I know in Virgin love it.

wiggy 16th Apr 2019 11:08


Originally Posted by Riskybis (Post 10448554)
but being on the 787 fleet is probably one of the best jobs going in the uk .
I do 3 , 4 (MAX) trips a month..

Fair point given what's going ATM at BA...I think many there would ditch JSS in a heartbeat and take a bit of roster instability in return for a max of 4 trips a month.

red9 16th Apr 2019 12:51


Originally Posted by wiggy (Post 10448731)
Fair point given what's going ATM at BA...I think many there would ditch JSS in a heartbeat and take a bit of roster instability in return for a max of 4 trips a month.

So how the hell did BALPA let JSS happen Wiggy ?

SandwichOfficer 16th Apr 2019 16:11


Originally Posted by cessnapete (Post 10447782)
Doesnít seem a happy place to join, having had a crew member stay with me recently.
Very little roster stability, last minute trip changes, some at the airport on trip check in. Maximum hours planned with mainly repetitive fatiguing Atlantic nightsops with the odd Lagos.
Although his fleet has an extensive Caribbean network, time off and trip bid choices rarely awarded, with only a couple of Caribbean trips ln last year or so.
It also appears seniority not apparent in B787 course progression, as more junior pilots allocated at random.
With such a seemingly poor rostering system, sickness seems the only way to regulate stress and fatigue at the moment.
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donít join then. the people I know there are happy with their lot. Yep, things could be better but it seems a much happier place to work than other Carriers, UK and abroad.

I donít actually understand your post? Are you just mud-slinging or have you just failed an interview and now hoping people agree with your post in the hope of justifying your failure?

Twiglet1 16th Apr 2019 16:13


Originally Posted by cessnapete (Post 10447782)
Doesnít seem a happy place to join, having had a crew member stay with me recently.
Very little roster stability, last minute trip changes, some at the airport on trip check in. Maximum hours planned with mainly repetitive fatiguing Atlantic nightsops with the odd Lagos.
Although his fleet has an extensive Caribbean network, time off and trip bid choices rarely awarded, with only a couple of Caribbean trips ln last year or so.
It also appears seniority not apparent in B787 course progression, as more junior pilots allocated at random.
With such a seemingly poor rostering system, sickness seems the only way to regulate stress and fatigue at the moment.
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Not sure how long VS have been going, but those repetitive fatiguing Atlantic night stops have been going the same time, as well as those at BA and all the other Airlines I watch crossing the Atlantic on FR24. So whats different Pete Pilot where is all this stress and fatigue coming from or is fatigue just the in thing/word these days.....

wiggy 16th Apr 2019 18:15


Originally Posted by red9 (Post 10448803)
So how the hell did BALPA let JSS happen Wiggy ?

It's a long and somewhat controversial story..in order not to clog up a VA thread I've pinged you a precis by way of PM.

:ok:

CW247 16th Apr 2019 21:13

I interviewed somewhere recently and met a guy trying to run from Virgin after just 2 years because of the fatigue. By his own admission he's just not built for long haul. I have done the same recently. As each day passes, I simply can't comprehend how so many people manage the massive body assault that longhaul flying is.

DDobinpilot 17th Apr 2019 09:05

Itís what youíre used to. And it depends what the rostering is like where you are.

Having done both I found long haul much easier. I also know many guys who were at short haul and went to long haul and hated it.

There are always moaners at every single airline claiming how they work harder than anyone else or have the worst conditions etc. Leave then? And find that the next airline they goto has more or less the exact same issues.

cessnapete 17th Apr 2019 14:05

Ah, thats his problem, change fleets. Obviously a large difference between workload and lifestyle of the B787 and an A340 pilot.

StopStart 17th Apr 2019 17:54

Yup and at the end of the year when the 340s go heíll find himself on the 350 and be telling everyone how great life is. Meh.


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