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Will Co

10th Dec 2018 19:45

Hainan or Xiamen Air?

Hypotethically, if I was to make a decision between Hainan Airlines or Xiamen Airlines in China, would anybody be able to compare the two?

MXer	11th Dec 2018 09:43

I‘m presently in the final stage of application (background check) for Hainan. I applied as a DEC on A330. One of the main reasons for me was that you will also operate on international/intercontinental (expect 1-2 longhaul a month) routes compared to an A320 (or 737) contract, so not spending all your ON time only inside China.

Rumours about increased contract terms for HNA in 2019.

Anyway I think the biggest money will always be by at A320/737 operators based in a sh.... second/3rd tier city.

I don‘t have any insider information on Xiamen.

Good luck for the application!

BizJetJockey

11th Dec 2018 11:40

You might want to do some research on Hainan’s parent company HNA before accepting a contract. They are in a spot of bother to say the least!

MXer	11th Dec 2018 12:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by BizJetJockey (Post 10333169)

You might want to do some research on Hainan’s parent company HNA before accepting a contract. They are in a spot of bother to say the least!

I did. I have a fallback option. and if things really turned out bad (which I cannot see today), I also think it would be no big deal to find a new position as a CAAC license holder.

petrichor

30th Dec 2018 13:00

What bizjet said, plus let's just say that the work ethic and corporate mentality is very different in China. On top of that, coming in as the highly paid "gweilo" will cause a level of resentment among the local pilots that makes it hard to live with apparently. As to which of the 2 is better....expect to be treated the same by both (not in a good way). Sure the money is good ......

safelife

30th Dec 2018 20:50

Xiamen by all means.

welliewanger

8th Jan 2019 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by MXer (Post 10333196)

I did. I have a fallback option. and if things really turned out bad (which I cannot see today), I also think it would be no big deal to find a new position as a CAAC license holder.

I don't know about how they treat foreign license holders, nor do I know about maintenance. But I do know that Chinese pilots don't hold any licenses - the company holds their license. If they want to move to another company, they need to "buy" the license for a very reasonable fee!

joe falchetto 64

9th Jan 2019 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by welliewanger (Post 10355584)

Not entirely true: this applies only to chinese pilots whose ab initio and operational training have been paid by the airline. Many FO are now following the "self sponsored" route and they are able to change airline without big problems; for expats it depends: my license is mine, and I changed airline after the first contract. I leave now in a so called sheet 2nd tier city, where I live very confortable wasting less than one third of the money I needed in Shanghai; my pay is top scale for 4/4 and when I have days off either I grab my motorcycle for sightseeing around or I go to the beach in summertime.

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