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FarewellFire 8th May 2019 15:24

Bumping this thread. Have been invited and ignorantly assumed that the figures mentioned on PJN were old. But a typerated 737 FO with less than 1500 hours can expect 47 EUR per block with a minimum of 40 guaranteed, right? And no base pay? These are... uhm, interesting numbers. =)

Jamees 12th May 2019 21:43

Assesment LOT Polish Airlines
 
Hello Guys!

i have a general question.
Is there anyone that has been to LOT Assesment recently .

If yes. it would be great if you could provide with feedback.




hiandrew 13th May 2019 13:14

i am looking for some detailed information about all the assesstment,
can anyone help me?

gAndrej 14th May 2019 09:50

Hi guys,

To all of you wondering about LOT assessment. I attended in April. Mixed feelings about it. Here we go :)

Day 1: 9 AM at LOT HQ. They will collect you at reception, there was 6 of us. All mixed from captains to F/O-s to NTR. And we were all together on assessment.
First part: Group exercise. Everybody gets a paper with a different description of city streets and you all need to draw a Map of the city combining your clues. Fun and 20min long. After that, one by one, you get in for Technical Interview and HR interview. Very basic questions, about TAS, ISA temp., Jeppsen charts, little eroute and aerodrome charts and meteo. Nothing too difficult. And HR as basic as can get. One guy did not pass, so there was 5 of us for tomorrow.

Day 2:
First Psychotest. It is not the Vienna testing system, I don't know why the said it will be but it wasn't. I wrote the previous post about that so I won't write it here again.
And now the fun part. Simulator. They will pair you with who they got that day. So basically Captain and NTR cadet with 200 hours together. But that does not matter that much cause captains are almost as clueless as you are about the sim. Sim is ALX FTPN, generic a/c. They will provide you with briefing pack a few days earlier (3 for me) but it will be to little use for you. Anyway, guys were exiting sim session while i waited outside. They exited angry and tired, all of them. Why, because you don't know how to do things in the simulator. Pitch and power settings, anything. It was complete chaos and guys who are already flying said that it was the worst sim session of their life. I did not get the job in the end. I passed all of ATPL exams in the first try, all check flights also and I got over 500 TT. On MCC/JOC course I got excellent feedback from instructors. But I did not get real chance to present myself in this simulator and that's too bad. They replied to me that I can reapply in 3 months.

Anyway guys, I hope my feedback will help you and if anybody had different experience please write it for all of us to know.

Jamees 14th May 2019 16:20

gAndrej!!!
Thank you for your detail information you given in your last post.what was checked in the simulator? Holding? Raw data? Loft mission. What was your screening airport. Where did the candidates have the most problems.

Thank you for possibles answers.

Im still waiting for my invitaion.


All the best

Jamees

FarewellFire 18th May 2019 21:38

Thanks for the detailed info. Did they mention anything about pay? Is the figures given on pprune accurate? Only pay per hour and no base pay?

flyboyike 19th May 2019 00:54


Originally Posted by Daddy Fantastic (Post 10338128)
If anyone is going to a LOT interview then here is some info. My mate just got back from interviewing and told me a few things that were quite interesting.

1. The interview felt more like an interrogation than a professional interview where they get to know you. They questioned every little possible issue in his logbook as if he was some kind of criminal. All his flying and sim time is legit backed up by professional airline references and records yet apparently his logbook is not done correctly according to LOT.

2. The HR lady was asking questions that were very subjective, like what is your motivation for becoming a pilot or joining LOT. When he answered they would start arguing his point by telling him that’s not really a motivation. In other words if you don’t match their answers it must be wrong. Quite stupid questioning really. You also do a technical on jepp plates, taf, meter etc.

3. He applied for 787 and was invited to a 787 interview.. He has 6000 hours total with about 3000 jet and approximately 2600 PIC time. Typed on one of their narrow bodies but when he asked where the 787 TR was done they said it’s a little early to say what jet you would be on. In other words you are experienced on one of our NB’s so we are sending you there.

4. Bases - Warsaw and Budapest. Budapest is small but you can get it. BUD has 1 or 2 787 there and Embraer aircraft. There seems to be no seniority system in place so if you are experienced and ready you leap frog others who joined earlier than you for command etc. Apparently the rosters are just assigned and they try and balance it out for everyone so you all get good, medium and bad schedules mixed in together to keep it fair.

5. PPJN seems to be pretty spot on with regards to salaries. 787 captains can be getting up to 112 Euro per block hour though if over I believe 10,000 hours and a bit less if below. He said 1st year junior captains were on about 90 per hour. FO and CA average about 70 flight hours per month so nobody should be earning less than 4K a month (50k) a year but your cost of living in BUD and WAW is a lot cheaper than Western Europe so you would save every month. Not great money but not bad considering where you would be.

6. Quick upgrade does to be had in as little as 2 years and even less with experience on type. DEC joining on type can expect a 787 in less than 3 years if joining on NB fleet apparently. Of course they need 787 pilots now so you could go straight to the 787 from the get go. 787 TR done in Singapore.

7. Apparently working on a commuting roster as well and will guarantee any 4 days off per month that you would want. He did not say how many days of a month you get in total but I think it is fair to say a safe bet would be to bank on a minimum of 8 and maybe as high as 12.

All in all he said it was an okay experience and good if you want a quick upgrade. Not the dream job but a lot of positives if you don’t plan on staying forever and if you do things will most likely only get better. If living in the CEE is your thing this could be a good option for you. This info is based on one pilots experience so others who went might have completely different take on things.

112 Euro for a 787 CA. Holy catfish!

likair 19th May 2019 16:13

Hello everyone,
Any updates and information with the latest assessments?

Thanks.

FarewellFire 19th May 2019 18:26


Originally Posted by flyboyike (Post 10474619)
112 Euro for a 787 CA. Holy catfish!

Exactly what I was thinking. I seriously don´t understand this. Is there anything that we don´t know about the pay or do LOT have the worst payscale in Europe? I can´t understand how these guys attract people with a payscale like this. Warsaw is cheap but not THAT cheap.

Anyone who´s actually met with them and would care to shed some light on their terms and conditions?

hans brinker 20th May 2019 17:09


Originally Posted by flyboyike (Post 10474619)
112 Euro for a 787 CA. Holy catfish!

I get around €215,= per hour flying the A320, ULCC.............

jollyRoger123 21st May 2019 07:44

It is even worse , on the B787 fleet you are paid only 1000 euro for the all length of your training ( about 4 months ).

Not sure what kind of “talents” they want to attract

Jamees 21st May 2019 18:16

Hallo again.

Someone of you wrote, that 9 math questions are being asked.What kind of questions.
examples?

Was some of you in the simulator.
What will be checked?

likair 21st May 2019 19:17

Jamees I am trying to send you a PM....it is saying, Mailbox FULL:}

Jamees 21st May 2019 19:33

Hallo Likair

My mailbox is empty now.
Try to resend your message.

Jamees 21st May 2019 19:46


Originally Posted by likair (Post 10476621)
Jamees I am trying to send you a PM....it is saying, Mailbox FULL:}

Likair,
did you receive my post ?

=========================

Until you have a posting history you don't have access to private messaging and adding urls.

likair 23rd May 2019 05:49

Jamees,

I still keep having the below message from the system;

'Jamees has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.'

bumpy737 23rd May 2019 14:19


Originally Posted by jollyRoger123 (Post 10476189)
It is even worse , on the B787 fleet you are paid only 1000 euro for the all length of your training ( about 4 months ).

Not sure what kind of “talents” they want to attract

As I heard from a guy on the 787, there should be a payrise around 5€/hr this month and the 1000€ now only during type rating, line training should be normally paid. The best fleet should be now the Dash, as they got some extra money because of the short sectors...

Jamees 31st May 2019 14:07

LOT Polish Airlines hiring
 
Hello everyone,
Any updates and information with the latest assessments?

In regard of the technical interview,
what questions do they asked.

I would appreciate any feedback.

Jamees 19th Jun 2019 00:24

Hello guys
Any updates and information with the latest assessments?


I would be thankful for any feedback.

Michael S 23rd Jun 2019 06:31

787 commuting depends on the length of your commute but generally speaking possible.
Roster stability very good.

Normal upgrade logic in LOT is such that you're normally offered upgrade from FO on shorthaul or move fleet as a FO to LH and then long wait for upgrade dct on LH.
Moneywise SH CPT earns the same as LH FO.

captain.weird 23rd Jun 2019 20:36

Do they take B787 DEC? How long for the upgrade from FO 787 to CPT 787?

Banana Joe 23rd Jun 2019 21:00

The bare minimum is 500 hours in the company. Depending of course on your level of experience. And remember, you're a foreigner.

duncanidaho50 3rd Aug 2019 06:45

Upgrade time on 737
 
Hello lady's and gents

Soo.. I am looking at the option to go to LOT on the 737. I have 4500tt and 1700 jet plus a bunch of PIC on smaller turboprop/piston.

I am after the job that gives me the fastest PIC time on s bigger jet. Is this it? How long will it take?
No that Ryanair has dried up for a while, wizzair seems to be the way to go or LOT (not sure about this but sigma advertisement says fast track PIC).
The thing here is wizzair pays like **** so looking for the best option.

Thanks

Michael S 3rd Aug 2019 08:44

Watch out for 737 choice. They're hiring but only in aticipation of receiving new ac. Those who chose 737 are waiting.

YVRKid 3rd Aug 2019 20:52

Hey all,

Haven't found anywhere - is there a language requirement? I know LOTs operating out of BUD these days too, but I'm still surprised to see a thread about a Polish airline and no language requirements mentioned, considering how much the Poles love their language (not a dig, just an observation from my time in the country).


Thanks!

Banana Joe 3rd Aug 2019 21:20

No language requirement.

duncanidaho50 6th Aug 2019 10:58

Hi again, anyone has an idea of what is the wait time to go from FO on the 787 to Captain on the 787?

thanks

anto125 6th Aug 2019 14:51

Anybody with non polish passport got a call from LOT?
I'm from Italy, did my cpl in Poland, got IR-PBN but never had an answer in 3 months at this stage

pilotjoe1991 8th Aug 2019 21:01

Has anyone been to an assessment recently? There was one in July

7oodaz 7th Oct 2019 12:12

hey guys, i have a question ,
now i'm Egyptian Pilot used to work for Egyptair, i'm married to a polish and now i live in Lodz, Poland.
i quit my job in egypt 1 month ago as i had to move with my wife due to family issues, i'm thinking to convert to EASA and try apply for LOT or other airline with a base close to Poland.
i've 4700 hours as FO on the B738
now the question, is it worth the headache of EASA conversion and ATPL exams, ? will i be able to get into any airlines ? like LOT ? , well , let's be realistic, i'm Arab, so would there be any sort of preference for Europeans / non-arabs ? shall i try with the EASA and apply ? or cut it short and go somewhere else in Africa or Asia ?
Thanks Folks,

booze 7th Oct 2019 12:25

Hi,

In LOT even the Hungarian crew are treated as second class, so my answer would be to stay away (money is not that great, either...). Converting to EASA wouldn't help you much, in my opinion, as most of the operators require an unrestricted EU passport, 5 year background check, etc. As the market is now in Europe i would definitely look at commuting options from Asia/ME spending only your off time with your family in Poland.

Cheers

Dufo 7th Oct 2019 12:29

If you are planning (willing) to work and not live off social support, do EASA conversion. Unlike at some other places, you won't get discriminated for being an Arab in EU, it might actually be easier for you to get hired.
Good luck!

7oodaz 7th Oct 2019 13:48

Thanks booze for the advice, actually i'd rather be closer to my family than having alot of money, also maybe they will not accept my temporary residence even thou i have a work permit but we will see, and yes iam looking at options from Asia/ME as well, thanks again, cheers

7oodaz 7th Oct 2019 13:49


Originally Posted by Dufo (Post 10588588)
If you are planning (willing) to work and not live off social support, do EASA conversion. Unlike at some other places, you won't get discriminated for being an Arab in EU, it might actually be easier for you to get hired.
Good luck!

i hope it would be easy to get hired, im actually only worried about the recruitment process more than anything else, if i pass this then i will be fine, thanks Dufo for you advice, cheers.

BarryMG 7th Oct 2019 16:57

I would expect LOT to be the least welcoming carrier in Poland for foreigners. Plenty of other options there fortunately, usually better than LOT anyway (despite being on the lower end in Europe - I'm talking Ryr, Wizz, Enter etc.). Then there are a couple of executive gigs in Warsaw, and if you dig that kind of work, you could also try your local flight school - Bartolini - they're pretty international, in need of instructors I hear, and definitely could help a bit with the conversion if you agreed to work there (I'm not affiliated with them btw.). If family is more important than money, there's nothing better than working in your town and being home every evening.

Banana Joe 7th Oct 2019 16:58

Forget about Enter Air if you don't speak Polish. I can tell by direct experience.

Michael S 7th Oct 2019 18:28

LOT is a very discrminating place. They discriminate nationals over better born nationals, so usually have no problem with discriminating foreigners, not to even mention non-whites.
As mentioned before, in your circumstances there are more suitable places to be.
Actually your qualifications and place of origin might be very well looked after in JerStory.

Hawker400 8th Oct 2019 08:14


Originally Posted by 7oodaz (Post 10588577)
hey guys, i have a question ,
now i'm Egyptian Pilot used to work for Egyptair, i'm married to a polish and now i live in Lodz, Poland.
i quit my job in egypt 1 month ago as i had to move with my wife due to family issues, i'm thinking to convert to EASA and try apply for LOT or other airline with a base close to Poland.
i've 4700 hours as FO on the B738
now the question, is it worth the headache of EASA conversion and ATPL exams, ? will i be able to get into any airlines ? like LOT ? , well , let's be realistic, i'm Arab, so would there be any sort of preference for Europeans / non-arabs ? shall i try with the EASA and apply ? or cut it short and go somewhere else in Africa or Asia ?
Thanks Folks,

The fact of the matter is that you will need an EASA license, either now or in the future.

As someone living in Poland who has converted an ICAO to EASA you should apply for the exams as soon as possible. With your hours and ATP license you can self-sponsor and go directly for the exams (1068zł). You can only do this while your rating is still valid. The practical isn't so cheap or easy but you have plenty of time to plan that once the exams are out of the way.

I think there are better options and to be honest as a foreigner in Poland even with EU passport it's a very discriminating place. But to each his own..

bumpy737 8th Oct 2019 19:57


Originally Posted by Michael S (Post 10588875)
LOT is a very discrminating place. They discriminate nationals over better born nationals, so usually have no problem with discriminating foreigners, not to even mention non-whites.
As mentioned before, in your circumstances there are more suitable places to be.
Actually your qualifications and place of origin might be very well looked after in JerStory.

Come on, my friend got in with another non-Polish guy. There were 4 Polish pilots in that group a none of them passed... And from what I’ve heard, there are pilots from the Baltic States, Belgium, Germany, Italy, UK, Czechia and Slovakia. Doesn’t look like they are discriminating anybody...

Michael S 8th Oct 2019 20:27


Originally Posted by bumpy737 (Post 10589788)


Come on, my friend got in with another non-Polish guy. There were 4 Polish pilots in that group a none of them passed... And from what I’ve heard, there are pilots from the Baltic States, Belgium, Germany, Italy, UK, Czechia and Slovakia. Doesn’t look like they are discriminating anybody...

Not in recruitment but in day to day life. It may not be totally obvious to the outside observer but it exists. This is known for decades.


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