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RAT 5 31st Jan 2018 14:44

There was an interesting introduction moment where I thought the flow of the flying exercises was excellent. He said that Climbing & Descending 1 was not a problem so Climbing & Descending 2 was combined; and then he moved onto Stalling. That could also have been combined with Climbing & Descending 3 to save time. :bored:

Cirrussy 31st Jan 2018 17:46

I don’t think you can swear on here without being censored... But my god this chap needs putting down!

Perfick landins after lesson namba one! Hopefully the recruiters will have these videos on their radars... And black list him!

Trossie 1st Feb 2018 10:06

Cirrussy

Well said!

Airlines (as do many businesses) have some rather fussy 'social media' policies. This guy might find that he has blotted his copy book for future jobs.

I do not believe that CTC could be sanctioning this.

If he was my student I would have already have put in for a student/instructor change.

The most worrying thing is: Why is he not out socialising with his course mates instead of wasting his time like that? Maybe the answer to that tells you enough. And maybe that has told the future recruiters enough too.

Dudley Do Right 1st Feb 2018 17:57

Coming to a right seat near you.:ok:

Max Angle 1st Feb 2018 19:26


then he discusses the possibility of a tail strike in a DA 20. What sort of pitch would you need to do that?
No idea what the angle would be but it is definitely possible to "brush" the runway during a fully held off landing in certain light aircraft. The DA20 and Robin DR400 both have tail skids to protect them against it.

PA28161 2nd Feb 2018 09:12


Originally Posted by ChrisE (Post 10035053)
No, I'm quite happy in my charter airline thanks very much. Nobody likes to see friends or family downbeat so I'm doing everything I can to help him. I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot you'd do the same if you were a good friend. 3 years of rejection emails is likely to dampen anybodies spirit so I'm trying to get advice from fellow pilots who might've been through something similar.

Quite simply all I'm asking for is advice on potential opportunities, no matter how obscure (because he's not one of those CTC lads that expects the world and thinks anything under a CFM56 is beneath him). I didn't come onto this forum for opinionated views on CTC, because believe me, as an ex CTC guy myself, I too can't stand them as an organisation.

Look, I sympathise with your friend's situation and of course, we should all help one another where we are able, but I just think it is odd that he didn't post on PPruNE himself.

PA28161 2nd Feb 2018 09:22


Originally Posted by schweizer2 (Post 10035930)
You have come to this thread to make accusations that CTC shafted your friend. I still await this proof?
If he was shafted, wouldn't it be easier to get a solicitor, he surely can't lose!

The more people that think they "get shafted" by CTC the better, we need less people funding that aviation disease.

CTC is just a glorified flying school nothing more. Says it all when airlines such as Flybe now refuse to use CTC for their recruitment. :D

And of course TCX et al

SFCC 3rd Feb 2018 19:33

Is that true, that TCX no longer take sausages from CTC?

MaverickPrime 3rd Feb 2018 20:36

Well it would certainly explain the recent IAGO cadet scheme TCX ran. There were a few modular guys from the Wings Alliance that made it into TCX. Would be interesting if someone can confirm that TCX doesn’t take from CTC/L3 anymore?

Pilot2/b 3rd Feb 2018 20:44


Originally Posted by SFCC (Post 10041110)
Is that true, that TCX no longer take sausages from CTC?

Paying 100k and airline contracts drifting away.
If only they were told this instead of the CTC “marketing crap”

MaverickPrime 4th Feb 2018 10:10

According to CTC/L3s latest FB post, easyJet’s head of training said that he knows he “will get some real top quality cadet pilots coming through” from the school. I’m sure he put emphasis on the word some....

MaverickPrime 4th Feb 2018 12:44

Not sure my sarcasm came across, I wasn’t referring to amount, rather the quality.

Trossie 5th Feb 2018 10:34

Why would anyone put a huge amount of money into an all-out run to get a pilots' licence when you have absolutely no clues what the state of the airline industry will be 18 months or so ahead? So many single incidents (and in the past we've had the invasion of Kuwait and '9/11') can end up effectively pouring all that money down the drain. Doing a bit-by-bit modular route to a licence gives you the opportunity to put things immediately on hold and fit in with the current state of the industry as you go through your training. If I was recruiting I would see those pilots as showing more common sense.

BluSdUp 5th Feb 2018 20:18

I worked for CAE on and off for some years on different types and have a fair idea of the quality that comes out of there.
CTC is a unknown entity to me, but promises made by any school is of course useless.

Cae is getting 7 new simulators for RYR use mainly , and RYR is to hire 1000 pilots this year.
This according to the press release from RYR today.

Just remember: Paying for Your own type-rating undermines the industry!
There is no need anymore!

ChrisE 8th Feb 2018 00:57


Originally Posted by MaverickPrime (Post 10041151)
Well it would certainly explain the recent IAGO cadet scheme TCX ran. There were a few modular guys from the Wings Alliance that made it into TCX. Would be interesting if someone can confirm that TCX doesn’t take from CTC/L3 anymore?

Yeah I can confirm TCX aren't using CTC anymore. Recruitment done through IAGO, with cadets going onto a real crummy contract for 7 years in return for a free TR.

Vwon 8th Feb 2018 08:22

That crummy contract is limited to 2 years, not 7.

ChrisE 8th Feb 2018 10:21


Originally Posted by Vwon (Post 10045792)
That crummy contract is limited to 2 years, not 7.

Incorrect - the IAGO cadets go onto a 7/5 contract for the first two years, granted - but they receive a subsidised salary for 7 years in return for an Airbus rating. A year 7 IAGO cadet salary is still around £500-£1000 per year less than a year 2 self sponsored 'cadet'.

ChrisE 8th Feb 2018 10:54

Interesting, I'd heard it was the cadet scale until 7 years then a bridge across to SFO 5 year salary. My salary on the other post was calculated post pay review based on the new basic salaries which are yet to be updated in the PPP. Still a couple of hundred from unfreezing, which isn't looking likely to happen quickly with the current roster/training requirements.


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