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Trossie 29th Jan 2018 11:34


Originally Posted by PA28161 (Post 10034961)
Just curious but why are you posting this and not your friend; is he not capable of explaining his own situation? Are you and your friend one and the same person?:rolleyes:

Probably a very accurate post!

CTC got you a licence. From now on it's up to you. Not all aeroplanes are over 50 tons with two big jets engines under the wings. There are lots of turbo-prop jobs out there.

... what was your average wait for a position?
Probably in those circles at the moment "How soon can you start?"

But then, if you are too snooty to get a turbo-prop job and add some real experience to your C.V., may you wallow in debt for a whole lot longer.

Cirrussy 29th Jan 2018 11:36

Thanks.

With respect to RudderTrimZero's comments, I would also have to agree.

If for no other reason than "great company in the cockpit" (and there ARE many more reasons) I would choose a modular FO any day.

Other reasons inlcude:

Self-confidence (not to be confused with arrogance - a trait from CTC, etc)
A personality (which gets you further than your CTC wings, in my book)
Wider variety of experience (different aircraft types, different weather)
Exposure to a variety of training techniques
Appreciate the value of money
Appreciate the value of a job
Appreciate the value of doing a job they enjoy
Previous career could be of use (e.g. engineering)
Likely to be a grown up
Less inclined for selfies

Sometimes if I arrive into the car park at work a little earlier than planned, I enjoy a few minutes of peace before setting off for the crew room. I often catch a fresh CTC graduate dawdling with significant swagger, sunglasses on, mobile in one hand, jacket unbuttoned. If nothing else, CTC definitely teach them to look the part... And it boils my pish!

As you can probably tell, I have no strong opinions on this subject!

ChrisE 29th Jan 2018 12:18


Originally Posted by PA28161 (Post 10034961)
Just curious but why are you posting this and not your friend; is he not capable of explaining his own situation? Are you and your friend one and the same person?:rolleyes:

No, I'm quite happy in my charter airline thanks very much. Nobody likes to see friends or family downbeat so I'm doing everything I can to help him. I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot you'd do the same if you were a good friend. 3 years of rejection emails is likely to dampen anybodies spirit so I'm trying to get advice from fellow pilots who might've been through something similar.

Quite simply all I'm asking for is advice on potential opportunities, no matter how obscure (because he's not one of those CTC lads that expects the world and thinks anything under a CFM56 is beneath him). I didn't come onto this forum for opinionated views on CTC, because believe me, as an ex CTC guy myself, I too can't stand them as an organisation.

magicmick 29th Jan 2018 12:19

Great posts RudderTrimZero and Cirrussy, itís a shame more senior hiring people donít share your opinions. Though as a self confident, adult modular trained individual with a previous engineering career, an appreciation of the value of money and of a job plus no inclination for selfies or social media then I would agree with you both.

As such I do not expect preference for modular over the lantern jawed integrated sky gods but a level(ler) playing field would be nice.

Officer Kite 29th Jan 2018 13:32

awful levels of bitterness on here, good grief!

flash8 29th Jan 2018 15:00

Just goes to show how low we have fallen the last few years or so.

Self improver, instructing, turboprop, first (often clockwork) jet... the old days when you showed your determination and not your wallet.

Anybody literally with £100K spare cash to burn now can be RHS of a 737/A320, button twiddling magenta line clowns with a facebook fan base, and no aptitude? Don't worry... just throw more cash (training) at it... oh yes Kos should have been a warning.

MaverickPrime 29th Jan 2018 15:54

From interviews and events I’ve attended in the past, I can assert that some of the people recruiting these sky gods from CTC et al are of the same ilk.

a350pilots 29th Jan 2018 16:33


Stocious 29th Jan 2018 16:34

Cirrussy

:ugh:

I can't begin to describe my consternation at all of that nonsense and general preconceptions, but CTC being blamed for uniform standards in other airlines now? The mind boggles.

Cirrussy 29th Jan 2018 16:41

Speechless...!

Cirrussy 29th Jan 2018 16:45


Originally Posted by Stocious (Post 10035323)
:ugh:

I can't begin to describe my consternation at all of that nonsense and general preconceptions, but CTC being blamed for uniform standards in other airlines now? The mind boggles.

Another delicate little flower from CTC finds him/herself offended by a bit of straight talking. Cute.

FlipFlapFlop 29th Jan 2018 16:54

Sorry ChrisE, assumed you were not in the aviation industry from your original post. Are you saying now that your friend has been in a hold pool for 3 years following CTC qualification ?

Stocious 29th Jan 2018 17:08


Originally Posted by Cirrussy (Post 10035336)
Another delicate little flower from CTC finds him/herself offended by a bit of straight talking. Cute.

Rude. If you knew of my background prior to CTC (strangely, a lot of us do have them) you'd realise I'm not exactly a 'delicate little flower'.

Just goes to show that despite the many ways into this job, :mad: can come from all avenues.

Lexsis 29th Jan 2018 17:39

Quite a few keyboard heroes in this thread, keep it going guys, Im having some more popcorn while reading this.

Someone just asking advice/doing some networking for a friend, and just look how some people are replying....

Edit: That must have been one of the bigger cringeworthy videos I have seen in a while...

Contact Approach 29th Jan 2018 17:52

That video made my eyes bleed.

Cirrussy 29th Jan 2018 17:53

Stocious, I apologise. I'm being antagonistic, and I do realise that you aren't all a bad bunch!

Unfortunately, a natural pilot will be a natural pilot no matter where they learn to fly. A Mummy's boy with £100k to blow straight after school will most likely go to the big training establishments (and sadly go on to get a job).

The elephant in the room, however, is that the original poster's mate went to CTC and isn't getting jobs. Maybe he's just not up to it? Maybe he's an unlikeable character in interview? As has been stated already, you might have a licence but there's no entitlement to a job.

Officer Kite 29th Jan 2018 17:56

Joey Essex is becoming a pilot!?

Anyway ... "As far as I know, you can't start ground school until you're 18 years old, however ..." - WRONG!

Whats the point in giving out info if your info is wrong.

flash8 29th Jan 2018 17:59


That video made my eyes bleed.
And that isn't even representative of the whole rotten ethos!

This is what happens when the whole thing becomes marketing, with aptitude and ability not even a close second to cash, failed your IR? No problem.... more dosh please.

Sorry I was raised the old way, and whilst might be considered a dinosaur it was only twenty years ago everything was completely different, at least then the cadetships that existed (BA) took good quality motivated candidates with aptitude and all this CTC (and others) money "route" didn't thankfully exist.

And wtf is that "uniform"?

Pilot2/b 29th Jan 2018 19:25

CTC student plugging Bristol GS study material.
You canít make this up!

SFCC 29th Jan 2018 19:56

I'd not let that youth do a PA until he'd grasped how to say words with 'th' in them properly.


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