Never, unless there is a smoking hole in the ground or the political pressure becomes strong enough. As most politicians are in the hands of major corporations and investors the “political pressure” option is not gonna happen. That leaves smoking hole in the ground as only possible turning point. Thinking anything else would be very naive.

Agreed....and when the smoking hole comes who do you think will get the blame....

Of course, the crew is responsible for managing their rest and the roster that’s been produced within the legal framework of current FTLs.

No one said it was going to be fair.

The question is, do you want to put yourself in a situations where it may be “impossible” to manage rest and where you could regularly find yourself walking the line? Having said that, we still don’t know exactly how the rosters will end up looking. So for those who are seeing this as a possible future job it’s perhaps best to wait a bit and see how things unfold? There’s quite a big competition out there for experienced crew at the moment so it will be interesting to see where the balance for attracting enough crew will be.

Couldn’t agree more! Give them a chance instead of sitting in judgement, after all they are just like the rest of us who want to fly safely and come home to our families!

Also heard through the grapevine that new joiners have so far been quite impressed with the training and set up. As I’m sure they know, big challenges lie ahead! Good luck to ‘em! :ok:

where has this trend come from that we now send convoys of bucket and spade type design cram them in small jets on basically ultra long short haul flights?

beggars belief that joe public after 40 years of Jumbos and big planes we all suddenly seem so bloody happy to get on something that normally takes us to sunny spain

i don't get the retrograde market forces

757s been doing it for years!

yes i know - i was with MON/OM for years - and also dealt with AE 757 long haul ops

757 was a different beast performance and power wise -

still stopped at BGR and BAH though for a nice night stop and got a week in the Maldives lol

Do you have technical expertise to state categorically that the new A321neo and specifically the LR version will be “that” much different to a stock 757??

The 321neo LR will have 4000 nm range, MTOW increased to 97 tons and cabin configurations for up to 240 passengers.

Yes but it will never carry 240 pax anywhere near that distance.

Will Primera receive the LR version initially or regular 321 NEO?

NEO first as far as I understand. The LR will launch with Air Transat in 2019 I think.

Well I think the problem will actually be (?) luggage space for 240 pax, not fuel / range, at least not for companies wanting to fly London/Paris etc to US east coast.

Don’t forget, when comparing to the 757, the 321LR will do the same range as the 757 but with about 30% less fuel and they have similar MTOW. Less fuel - less weight - more payload.

Having said that I have not looked in to any official airbus graphs for exact range @ specific weights so I don’t know for sure what max range will be at MTOW.

CDG-YYZ is about 3300N and is the longest route as far as I know.
With head wind (25kt), it will be around 3500 NAM which is the max range claimed by airbus on the neo.

So I guess that the max payload (200pax on their neo and max payload below 20t) might be possible almost every time except on partilar days on this route.

There is a pay-your-money-and -take-your-choice element here.

I do grow tired of well intentioned threads, that are savaged attack any operator other than the 'established' ones.

Yes - lifestyle and money is VERY important, but people do need jobs, and I personally welcome competition and variety in the market.

Surely it is good to have more than just 'BA, Ryanair and EZY' as employers??

Give them a chance!

It's not like the other three are anything like perfect to work for, is it?

iirc my memory serves me that the MTOW for a 757-200 etops was 115 tonnes

i think someone here mentions that the 321neoLR is about 97 tonnes with 3 LR tanks fitted - which will no doubt reduce baggage space

still dont think you can pitch a stretched and multi mega tweaked A320/321 with a 757 any day of the week

Primera A321noe LR

So it looks like they will have a 198 seat cabin, 16 premium and 182 economy. With either of the two new engine choices, LR tanks and 198 pax configuration I think airlines might actually be able to get 4000nm out of the aircraft and still get all bags on board, possibly not in containers though.

For a long time (not sure if it is the case anymore) the longest 757W route operated was United's NY - Berlin service and this could not be operated with max payload.

That could very well be, but I suspect a lot of that is extra fuel, when compared to the 321LR, that's no longer required to fly the same distance?

Anyway, lots of guessing at this stage as I don't have any official airbus documentation or performance information for the 321neo LR. It will be interesting to see how it will perform though, once in service. I guess Norwegian is also planning on similar routes for their 321neo LRs?

Any more info regarding contracts, rosters etc as cabin crew are too being very left out of the loop here :ugh:

Meanwhile in the real world Norwegian cuts more transatlantic 737 Max services

But increase frequency from SNN

Hartford was never that popular ditto Bergen