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fox niner 17th Nov 2017 08:25

KLM looking for pilots
 
Starting december 4, there will be a two week window of opportunity to apply for a pilot job at KLM. KLM needs quite a few pilots, and their flight academy is unable to provide enough new candidates the coming months.
There are no drawbacks, ifs or buts.
-permanent contract, the same as everyone else
-therefore no chance of a commuting contract or other exeptions
-no b-scale, we donít have that
-placement at the bottom of the seniority list
-EU passport required (or swiss/norway/etc)
-english LPE level 6 + requirement to learn dutch eventually.
-being at the bottom of the list, expect to start as a cruise relief pilot on the intercontinental fleet.

DND delivery 17th Nov 2017 08:53


Originally Posted by fox niner (Post 9959643)
-english LPE level 6 + requirement to learn dutch eventually.

I havenít seen the requirements just yet, however I would be very surprised if fluency in Dutch wasnít one of them. I suppose like in the past theyíll look for a mix of ex NL Air Force and experienced guys with a training background in the Netherlands (NLS- if they still exist, EPST, Martinair flight academy).

lexxie747 17th Nov 2017 08:59

exactly how many martinair boys were forced to find other pastures,in spite of being fully qualified and operational?
thanks to the fine VNV members.....

Intrance 17th Nov 2017 09:03

I'm not too familiar with the internal structure of KLM, so if I may ask, how long could you expect to be an SO before moving over to something like FO Cityhopper?

Could be an interesting small opportunity to go 'home' but on the other hand going from left seat to relief seat for years, does not appeal too much.

Doppio 17th Nov 2017 09:11

Unbelievable; First the VNV KLM Union forced hundreds of Martinair pilots out of the country after destroying their career and pension, declaring that in 48hrs of looking they couldn't find a place for any of them within the AF-KLM family... and now KLM is hiring? What a hit-job...

fox niner 17th Nov 2017 09:32


Originally Posted by Intrance (Post 9959674)
I'm not too familiar with the internal structure of KLM, so if I may ask, how long could you expect to be an SO before moving over to something like FO Cityhopper?.

+/- 2 years. Salary for an SO is exactly the same as an FO with the same seniority. That is why most people stay a while longer as an SO. Your choice.


VNV......Martinair.....etc
Ah come on. You know that it didnít happen like that. This is a recruitment opportunity. If you would like to re-start the SCB and Martinair self destruction discussion: go right ahead in another thread.

the_stranger 17th Nov 2017 11:16


Originally Posted by Doppio (Post 9959690)
Unbelievable; First the VNV KLM Union forced hundreds of Martinair pilots out of the country after destroying their career and pension, declaring that in 48hrs of looking they couldn't find a place for any of them within the AF-KLM family... and now KLM is hiring? What a hit-job...

Not this again.... Either you are/were a party in the whole screwup and know what you're saying isn't entirely correct, or you aren't a party and are wrongly informed.

Street 17th Nov 2017 12:25


Originally Posted by Intrance (Post 9959674)
I'm not too familiar with the internal structure of KLM, so if I may ask, how long could you expect to be an SO before moving over to something like FO Cityhopper?

Almost 3 years

Street 17th Nov 2017 12:31

The VNV made a mess out of the Martinair debacle.

However it is a good thing KLM is opening doors. Quite a few suitable candidates in the market. It is not only KLM Flight Academy students who qualify as pilots ;)

DND delivery 17th Nov 2017 12:54


Originally Posted by Intrance (Post 9959674)
I'm not too familiar with the internal structure of KLM, so if I may ask, how long could you expect to be an SO before moving over to something like FO Cityhopper?

It varies quite a bit. Back during the financial crisis years where there was very little movement it could be 3 or 4 years or maybe even more. However around 2014 itís been as short as 1 year. As quoted above 2 is probably around average.

Track 17th Nov 2017 14:25

Get in line behind 100+ eager Transavia F/O's who will probably be considered first....

Falck 19th Nov 2017 13:52

Track

I doubt it. Transavia is a 100% KLM company. KLM will shoot in their own
feet.
KLM looks at pilots from their own flightschool or NLS (current CAE)
or the Dutch Navy or Airforce.
A lot of former NLS pilots went ito RyanAir. Also easyJet and TUI Netherlands.

What about all ex-Martinair pilots? They spread out all over the world.
I hope some of them will land a job at KLM.

Curious though.

Hurdle 20th Nov 2017 14:47

But would it only be people with background from NLS/EPST and airforce? Or would they include also the others like DFA,Stella etc? I guess once someone is experienced the academy doenst matter annymore. More info from inside about this?

Falck 20th Nov 2017 15:40

Hurdle,

Don't know from the inside. But that's what KLM wants. It is very rare that they
take somebody from outside these flightschools or MLD,KLU.

Remember some people from epst went in a couple of years ago. They had to finance their own B737 sim bridgecourse with KLM sops. Than the interview with the risk of failing.
Having said that. They try to streamline the Martinair flightschool into a KLS/KLM fit as well.

So perhaps pure speculation some people from there as well. The article said that it will be open from the 4th of December for 2 weeks.

Good luck

PENKO 21st Nov 2017 06:36

Falck. In the last twenty years there were three recruitment drives. Every times there were vastly different requirements regarding background. I do not think you can extrapolate anything from that. Let's wait and see. Anyway, unless they change their strict seniority rules it will be difficult for some to apply.

Reverserbucket 21st Nov 2017 10:08

The NLS is no longer - bought by CAE some years ago and now part of the CAE Oxford Aviation Academy who I understand KLS used to subcontract a proportion of CPL/IR training to in the U.S. until a nasty fatal and midair shortly thereafter lead to cessation of that working agreement. I believe KLS use Lufthansa's fair weather facility now under a similar arrangement. The NLS was yet another highly respected quality school that is no longer with us.

Primary Governor 21st Nov 2017 11:47

https://www.klm.com/jobs/en/werken_i..._vliegers.html

Reverserbucket 21st Nov 2017 12:34

Interesting that they mention NLS in that link - I wonder if they mean this is open to graduates of the NLS from before the name change to CAE OAA Amsterdam?

Falck 21st Nov 2017 12:59

I think it is not updated. It could have been on the KLM-site for a long time already.

We will see

testpanel 24th Nov 2017 10:50

Since when do i have to put on my CV my (flight) training as experience?:ugh:


Ervaring
- Afgestudeerd aan de KLS, NLS, CAE (Oxford) of EPST


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