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Vokes55 9th Nov 2017 10:13

Saw four parked up going nowhere in Tenerife on Tuesday lunchtime too. Winter is peak season for the Canary Islands from most of Europe, provided you have the pilots to operate them of course.

Runcorn Bridge 9th Nov 2017 10:20

Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t FR park planes up in the winter in places where parking is cheaper? Could this not be another reason why you are seeing planes at those places?

Not an FR pilot, so I am speculating.

Cows getting bigger 9th Nov 2017 12:53

Six this morning. They appear to have binned the entire morning schedule, kicking off about lunchtime.

skyflyer737 10th Nov 2017 08:45

Parking planes in winter in FAO and TFS is standard practice. I was in both places several times over the last few winters and they've always parked a few there. They rotate them through those places as they are cheaper to park them there than elsewhere.

7574ever 10th Nov 2017 08:54

From personal experience, last year there were no airplanes parked in TFS whatsoever. On the contrary, extra planes were brought in to cover the extra flights for the winter.

skyflyer737 10th Nov 2017 11:26

Ok - fair enough but two winters ago I was there for a couple of weeks out of base and there were at least two sitting towards the westerly end of the apron unused. I know because we ended up using one after going tech.

Faro has in the past had at least 4 parked up on the easterly side of the apron.

Cows getting bigger 12th Nov 2017 06:33

This isn't 'parked-up' aircraft. These aircraft are flying, after lunchtime. Call me a bluff-old-traditionalist, but giving an airframe maybe two sectors a day doesn't make (Ryanair) economic sense.

GScapture 12th Nov 2017 08:05

The Real Story Behind The Ryanair Cancellations - People Before Profit

flyhigh85 15th Nov 2017 14:01

IAA is rotten and in bed with Ryanair. No wonder so many airlines want to have an Irish AOC... There should be consequences!

Podcast 15th Nov 2017 16:05

not surprising.
Hope Europe will punish this country. :yuk:

skyloone 15th Nov 2017 23:14

Well, well...... not short of pilots. Why did I just speak to an FR pilot today who had an email from his agency asking if he’d like to give up his month off next year. Upon enquiry as to the details of such offer he was told that no it wasn’t a reallocation of the leave.... it was giving it up! So it seems FR are already asking pilots to forgo some of their leave next year.
They must be truly stuffed or perhaps this is just another benefit dressed up as offering flexibility .

Pilot2/b 16th Nov 2017 06:06

Giving up your month off is surely illegal, if you done this you'd be left with 10days annual leave for the year! Way below the 28days legal requirement.
It's a shame as I'm sure a select few will actually do this.....

Retired DC9 driver 16th Nov 2017 09:36

Ryan Air back in the news, New York Times piece,

Jet Pilot Might Not Seem Like a ‘Gig,’ but at Ryanair, It Is



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/b...r-pilots.html?

skyloone 18th Nov 2017 20:33

I have no sight of actual numbers but it just seen a screenshot that claims FR have in fact grounded 85 ac and are short significant numbers to cover the upcoming season. Perhaps the reason they’re reportedly already asking folk to give up leave next year?

Airone2977 20th Nov 2017 11:26

Up to six months delay now between LST and start of LT for the cadet, appears to be lengthening more and more. Poor folks ! :sad:

TheMightyAtom 20th Nov 2017 12:24

The second the news kicked off with the 'are/aren't they' short of pilots then they kicked into full swing throwing guys through the base training. Over 100 in under 2 weeks! Bear in mind these guys were already waiting for a long time, unpaid and demoralised. But Ryanair don't care - until there is a publicity opportunity to get photographed at a wings ceremony.

The inevitable has happened and now the cadets are delayed at a different stage of training (wait, where are all the LTCs), still unpaid and unloved. But their picture is already on Twitter so nobody is in a rush to sort it out.

Apparently October was a Ryanair record for pilot resignations...

jmvdb22 21st Nov 2017 08:01

I hear some different stories though, I know a guy who started ground school last january, he has finished line training a while ago already. Also heard about a guy(indirect, so can't confirm its true) who finished TR beginning of this month and also had base training this week.

I hope this is true as I will start my TR next week haha

SMT Member 21st Nov 2017 08:57

RYR pilots from Swedish bases have organised themselves under the umbrella of the Swedish Pilots Union.

Direct Bondi 21st Nov 2017 09:26


Pilots & cabin crew need to find out who to whistleblow to within EASA and the UK CAA who actually have a pair of balls and use them!
Pilots are under the delusion the aviation regulatory authorities will act in an employment dispute - they will not. Within Europe there may be Excepted Airlines with Special Arrangements. Stop wasting time believing the regulators will be your savior.

The way forward is to join a union and obtain a legal ruling on the employment relationship. Study this International Labour Organization publication and associated conventions (to which most of Europe are signatories):

http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/pub...cms_209280.pdf

If I am based outside of Ireland, I don’t give a rat’s ass what the Supreme Court of Ireland ruled or didn’t rule. Wise up.

Airone2977 21st Nov 2017 14:42

PJN change the status from "hiring a lot" to "massively in need of pilot" on the RYR Page


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