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EDMJ 18th Oct 2017 17:25

And what exactly do you do at that airline? Anyway, don't worry :hmm:The engines had hardly spooled down before the Luftfahrtbundesamt in vorauseilender Gehorsam blew their trumpets in the public, announcing that they were onto the case.

Unprofessional behavior, yes, but there are in my opinion other issues in aviation that need more attention than this..

Spunk 18th Oct 2017 19:16

Tower asks me for tower inspection like once a week. So, what’s the point. Flying without approved SOP for “flyby”.
Damn hysterical germans.
And for the LBA: where have you been when the management :mad:. What happened to the proof of economic capacity required for all the small airliners struggling every day.
Instead you‘re going after a pilot who finished his last day at the company with some melancholy and who dares to fly his plane in manual mode.

EDMJ 18th Oct 2017 19:33

Approx. €700 Million deficit during each of the last couple of years, wasn't it? Operations only possible because of Emihad's cash injections?

Jonty 18th Oct 2017 20:55

Looks like a standard go around to me.
Good for them.

paperHanger 18th Oct 2017 21:30

Looks like a failry standard go around to me.

The press claim i caused "alarm" amongst the pax, if you listen to the onboard recordings made by pax, everyone was laughing and clapping.

Now, if they had rolled it ... ;)

student88 18th Oct 2017 21:34

Excellent display by the Germans! Someone give that man a job!

msbbarratt 19th Oct 2017 06:08

SLF here: if they're going to fly an uneventful, boring flight, it had better be on time.

On the other had; if the captain said on the tannoy "ladies and gentlemen we are going on a low level tour of the airport and surrounding countryside", count me in, screw the schedule, forget the taxi, lets go burn some fuel. And yes please, do a barrel roll but please make the first one at some decent altitude because I don't think you'll have had much practise with them on this type.

ShotOne 19th Oct 2017 07:11

No doubt the same authorities (and pprune PC-pilots)who see nothing wrong with pay-to-fly bare-minimum training schemes, zero-hours contracts, wet leased aircraft operated for years far from their regulator, rostering to exhaustion and beyond will be tireless in their investigation of this "incident".

SMT Member 19th Oct 2017 07:30

Well done that man and his crew!

If I was the owner of an airline, I'd be making a beeline for his LinkedIn account faster than you can say 'DFO'. We need real people with real skills in the cockpit, who can use their vast experience and skills to perform out of the ordinary when called for. This guy certainly know his aeroplane, and used a once-in-a-lifetime chance to send his airline off in style.

And I will bet you all the tea in China, the passengers in the back was loving it as much as the crew up front. As for the LBA, quite possibly one of the most inept, arrogant and in-bread regulators in the civilised world, they can go stuff themselves.

Well done, well done indeed!

His dudeness 19th Oct 2017 07:36


Pax are paying for a safe flight from A to B, not unwilling participants in a flyby. These guys should be hang, drawn and quartered. Don’t bother applying for a job at my Airline either, we don’t want you.
This implies that the flyby was unsafe. It wasn´t, case closed. I sure hope what YOU want does not play a role in the airline you are.

wheels_down 19th Oct 2017 07:54

Pre Approved manoeuvre.

Bunch on whiners on here as per usual from the children of the magenta line.

RHS 19th Oct 2017 14:12

The crash databases are full of non compliant, unprofessional "stick and rudder Gods"

Come on with this "children of the Magenta whining" rubbish, it's not exactly a hard manoeuvre to pull off, and if it wasn't sanctioned/approved/briefed/trained then he/she probably doesn't own a license anymore. Bent metal box much.

Mr Angry from Purley 19th Oct 2017 14:57

UK CAA would go after them also. What would be the yay men's attitude had something gone wrong.
I wonder if the Captain will put this on his cv....

gearlever 19th Oct 2017 15:02

Would the UK CAA ignore a video taped incident like this (0:28)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kle80KB_s3I&t=28s

German LBA/BFU did.....

RAT 5 19th Oct 2017 15:12

As someone said, a standard ground: due to losing the visual reference at low level because of tears in the eyes. A/C about or trending towards unstable, so a GA is the SOP. ;)

Dan_Brown 19th Oct 2017 19:28

Leave the air show antics, to the current air show pilots, who are current on type.

cactusbusdrvr 19th Oct 2017 20:45


Originally Posted by Nightstop (Post 9929080)
Pax are paying for a safe flight from A to B, not unwilling participants in a flyby. These guys should be hang, drawn and quartered. Don’t bother applying for a job at my Airline either, we don’t want you.

If the rest of the pilots are like you then, no, no one would want to bother applying to your airline. GMAFB, it's a go around, not an inverted fly by.

cactusbusdrvr 19th Oct 2017 20:51


Originally Posted by ShotOne (Post 9929617)
No doubt the same authorities (and pprune PC-pilots)who see nothing wrong with pay-to-fly bare-minimum training schemes, zero-hours contracts, wet leased aircraft operated for years far from their regulator, rostering to exhaustion and beyond will be tireless in their investigation of this "incident".

No doubt. Lots of people on here who appear to be required to be lead by the hand for everything. I worry about the guys who wouldn't do a last fly by. No soul.

PAXfips 20th Oct 2017 08:38

The A320 (registration D-ABDX) on flight #AB3928 from Düsseldorf arrived in Reykjavik at 10:55pm yesterday, but the return flight earlier this morning was cancelled.
Isavia, Iceland’s airport operator issued a statement saying “Air Berlin filed a petition of the opening of insolvency proceedings in August and the unpaid airport charges incurred prior the insolvency period.”…”Isavia will have additional member of staff located at the airport to assist those who will be affected by this action if needed.”
http://www.airlive.net/breaking-air-...rport-charges/

Denti 20th Oct 2017 10:28

There might be a problem then. Before official insolvency proceedings are opened next month, air berlin cannot, by law, pay any open bill from before they filed for insolvency. And then Isavia will get the same deal as any other creditor, probably a cent per Euro or less.

Chris2303 23rd Oct 2017 08:13

There's about as much chance of that happening as the German Accident Investigators investigating fume events!

gearlever 23rd Oct 2017 10:13

Wait - they have to "investigate" the go around of AB at DUS.....:ugh:

Less Hair 24th Oct 2017 14:33

So what happened to easy said to take over parts of AB? All quiet today.

RAT 5 24th Oct 2017 15:03

Could ez have used AB's AOC in some way rather than an Austrian? Too late now I guess.

MKY661 24th Oct 2017 15:05

Looks like Niki will be Integrated into Eurowings Europe:
https://www.reuters.com/article/air-...-idUSL8N1MZ2G0

(I thought this would happen btw)

Denti 24th Oct 2017 18:59


Originally Posted by RAT 5 (Post 9935262)
Could ez have used AB's AOC in some way rather than an Austrian? Too late now I guess.

Well, one of ABs AOC probably, there is still one in the works currently in which easy has reportedly a minority stake (Aeronautics GmbH). However, that is probably only needed to transfer slots, not for flight operations, they do set up their austrian at the moment.

Talks are ongoing, couldn't get much out of the easy guys today. Easy is holding a week long interview marathon in berlin for air berlin crews, both flightdeck and cabin, simulator events for the flightdeck crews are scheduled throughout november and probably into december depending on simulator availability, they try to get as many as possible simulator slots in SXF instead of gatwick. First start date with easy is scheduled for 8th of january.

The article says that the flyNiki brand will vanish, but the company will continue to operate on its own under the eurowings brand. How many AOCs do they have there by now? Germanwings, Eurowings (Germany), Eurowings Europe (Austria), LGW, Niki, SN Brussels, TUI, Sunexpress Germany. I do wonder how such a complicated setup is supposed to compete with real LCCs.

Rescue3 25th Oct 2017 18:11

that's a lot of AOC's - but LH is german so no oversight or questions from either the german government but more specific the european union [MMC].
So if a german [or probably a french] airline whats to do whatever they want it seems to be they can.................... domination comes to mind

Sea Eggs 27th Oct 2017 02:46

What's Easyjet doing? How come they are not closing the deal?

atakacs 27th Oct 2017 07:49

I'm sure there is some hard bargaining / poker play in progress...

The Flying Cokeman 27th Oct 2017 22:48

Deal has been signed today. 25 planes from Tegel from next year and up to 1000 crew members from Air Berlin will be recruited over the next months.

pabely 28th Oct 2017 07:18

So what happens to airberlin technik GmbH, I'm sure EZY would like to get their hands on that as well?

Non-Driver 28th Oct 2017 08:11

Its a consortium between Zeitfracht and Nayak, presumably the former taking the cargo ops and the latter taking the maintenance. Nayak do line maintenance in several European countries for several carriers including EZY.

atakacs 28th Oct 2017 08:16


Originally Posted by The Flying Cokeman (Post 9938727)
Deal has been signed today. 25 planes from Tegel from next year and up to 1000 crew members from Air Berlin will be recruited over the next months.

Are we to understand that Easyjet will also operate from Tegel (I guess it's unavoidable given current SXF capacity)?

kcockayne 28th Oct 2017 08:27

This is very good news for Air Berlin’s crews. Congratulations on joining a top rate airline, after all the uncertainty of recent months. I hope that it will all work out well for you all.

Denti 28th Oct 2017 10:07


Originally Posted by atakacs (Post 9938943)
Are we to understand that Easyjet will also operate from Tegel (I guess it's unavoidable given current SXF capacity)?

Yes, 20 to 25 aircraft will be based in TXL additionally to those already in SXF. Apparently the Terminal C, formerly mainly used by air berlin will be very orange soon.

Smooth Airperator 28th Oct 2017 10:54

Nothing for Condor/Thomas Cook Group? What about the 330?

Denti 28th Oct 2017 11:04

Not yet anyway, there should be some capacity left for Thomas Cook, but it has been very quiet about that.

The A330s are long gone, Lufthansa and Eurowings do fly some of the routes now, operated by Lufthansa for their routes and Sunexpress Germany and Brussels Airlines for the Eurowings routes.

gearlever 30th Oct 2017 11:31

Open letter to AB pilots.....
Offener Brief der Eurowings-Europe-Belegschaft - Austrian Aviation Net

lederhosen 30th Oct 2017 18:48

One very noticeable aspect is that Easyjet has a reasonable reputation as an employer (not perfect but dramatically better than Ryanair or Eurowings for anyone who has been in the business a while), which should be a learning point for the other would be employers. They can make promises but when they need pilots the potential employees will look at the long term track record rather than hot air.

pabloc 30th Oct 2017 23:18

Apparently Easy were going to buy my old outfit,Monarch,but hey ho must have been asking to much!!....I digress,sorry back to Air Berlin.


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