As a part time captain, I net just under €10000 per month. €3000 per month into my pension (paid in the ratio 1:2, me: employer). Bonus of around €15000 paid once a year.

Edited to add: based in Europe.

I am not sure what constitutes a major airline, but oop north in Europe the old legacy carrier pays closer to the Ryanair wage.

I don't know why people are so interested in net salary. Its all different in different countries and how efficient you are with your tax.
example; earn over £100,000 in the UK and you loose you tax free allowance and you pay 50%, however increase your pension contributions and tax free benefits and your 'net' increases by 50% technically as a total package.

Look at it this way.
(All numbers approx.)
Ryanair Captain average gross basic = £55,000 (depends on country and exchange rate)
easyJet Captain average gross basic = £95,000 (depends on country and exchange rate)

Obviously Ryanair hourly sector pay is higher than easyJet's physical sector pay, but then you can only do 900 per year.

Ryanair sector = £38 per hour -> 900x£38 = £34,200
easyJet sector = £31 per sector - 1h flight = 0.8 sector -> 900x(£31x0.8) = £22,000

So clearly you can see that even just looking at basics Ryanair pay is low.

Realistically, easyJet is one of the better paying companies in Europe. China money on reverse rotations is just not realistic. It is not a true representation of what you can expect to earn. On top of that "part-time" is either 1month/1month long haul or 2weeks/2weeks on short haul flying IN China.
Would I go and do it - nope.

Anyway everybody agree with a pilot flying 900h/year in Ryanair has a low salary nowadays right?

Low compared to what? Compared to a handful of airlines paying significantly better, yes. Compared to a teacher of 30+ year in community school, or a newly examined engineer who spent the greater part of his twenties in school, no.

If it wasn't for the legacy and mystery of flying we wouldn't be where we are today, paid what we're paid. Let's fight for what we have, but don't rant on about how poor salary Ryanair has got and how you're entitled to much more. If you're working for them, flying punters to Malaga for £20, your 'supporters' are hardly going to support you in this cause. A unionized pilot force, or a pilot shortage, is the only thing that's going to help you. And even then pilots all over seem to struggle to take advantage of the situation. If you want more money, apply for a job where they offer so and vore with your feet.

Ryanair has a lot to answer for, especially when it comes to employment contracts and employee rights, sick pay, base transfers, holidays, long hours (so does EASA that allows them), bullying, unpaid standbys and what not... anything that makes life bearable. But ranting on how little you've got in your wallet isn't gonna give you my condolences.

This thread is creeping like a lizard! the original post was asking if Ryanair is a good option for high hours FO, basically asking if there are any fast upgrade opportunities. It was ventilated that the upgrade is a lottery depending on your own performance and the training/ checking staff.. it was also observed its not a free ticket, you effectively pay part of the costs and are bonded..so make your decisions based on that.. not what you may earn as a skipper. If you can put up with the pay and conditions for a couple of years then you can jump ship to a "proper company" if... you think the grass is greener, or sand is hotter..

Net salary is only one part of the equation. Find me any businessman who earns >€100.000pa and examine the package they have. I would expect to find: health insurance, company car, company contributed pension scheme 20-25% of gross salary, share options if applicable, bonuses if applicable, flexible holiday & days-off scheme, loss on income insurance (PHI), respectful senior management, decently furnished and clean offices and washrooms, unquestionable sickness reporting scheme, transparent employment package giving employment protections & rights, etc. etc.
The salary, compared to other vocations, might be acceptable, but the package, especially pension scheme, is often way below what the salary levels should command. That is a true comparison. The vocational element allows exploitation; and it has been allowed for decades.

Men do not compare this job with a teacher. The responsibility you guys have in your hands, the thousand of things you have to manage every day, the environmental conditions of noise, pressure, fatigue, stress that we have to work with...

With all the respect you cannot compare

OK.

Well working back to the thread line.
If you have a base near to where you live (and no other operator has a base there), and can be based there from the outset,
If you don't have to pay for a type rating,
If you can get a command back in the base near to your home and where you live OR you don't mind travelling about and seeing a bit of Europe because you are young and free or have a family that is happy to come with you,
If you are offered a PERMANENT employment,
If you are happy and able to live on the salary that is on offer

Then Ryanair is an acceptable place to work.....as long as you are not based in Dublin or Stansted!! :)

You have to go in to the company with your eyes open and be aware of what it is actually like.
There is no unity of employees, no protections and management are difficult.
The people you work with as colleagues are generally nice people.
Command can be fast with the correct level of experience.

There is a lot of noise about people leaving the company and wanting to come back again. Most of those are people who went to the sandpit for 5 years, made a lot of money but were unhappy about never seeing their families and wanted a bit of stability.

If I were in a position that I was paying for a type rating, I would choose easyJet. If I wanted to be based near London I would try for BA.
If I had a 737 rating and wanted a quick upgrade and nice P1 logbook for quick career progression to go earn China money then I would choose Ryanair.
If I wanted to be near a good sized regional airport that was served by Ryanair, then the decision is made.

I know very few people that regret leaving Ryanair to go to another company that operated from the same location.

Men? Do women not count then?

You haven't met a teacher in an inner city school have you? I have been an airline pilot for 40 years and I can compare. Thanking my lucky stars!

Some of you need a reality check!

Hear hear Bealzebub.

I was a Ryanair Tre, it was a good, well payed job. Did I have the chance to influence many kids lives for ever? Will any of my students remember my name? Possibly, but I don't think we should be too up ourselves because we fly aeroplanes.

:rolleyes:

Apologies to OP.

RYR isn't perfect like any company, but its circa 180 days off, fixed pattern roster and possibility of a regional base for £3k net as a FO or £6k net as a CPT.

The grass isn't any greener at any company in any industry, you just have to decide what shade of brown you like the most!

If the situation it doesn't change in the coming months best thing is to work 5 years in China and retire of Aviation low cost world in Europe.

The money you "may make" in China you should keep to spend on your poor health in future years!

Here at my current lot, very recently, a TRE resigned to join Ryanair as DEC on the same base where he has been. He caught everybody by surprise :ooh:

Just 3k for an F/O ?
I thought it was a bit more than that..

Nooo, the money you make in a LOco doing 12 hours Duty days 4 sectors during years and years

Same I thought it was more like £4k for FO net.
I'm only TP and clear about £2.5 a month. Also don't have to pay for food, drinks, passes, medical etc.....

Q1: What is the current waiting time to hear back from Ryanair HR department after submitting a CV. I've thousands of hours PIC 737NG.
Q2: What bases are DEC's currently offered?
Q3: What contracts are on offer - Ryanair/Brookfield/storm/McGinley?
Q4: Do DEC's have to do a sim assessment?

Hi Guys. Does anybody knows the Average take home for a Ryanair Capt TRE/TRI?

Q1. Really short because they are very short of TREs, Captains, Senior FOs and cadets.
Q2. They are going to give you the base that you want.
Q3. I think they are going to offer you a Ryanair contract
Q4. Around 13000Eur gross you have to de deduct 40/45% and then you will have your average net salary.

I don't think Ryanair offers direct TRE/TRI contract.

Someone asked if they contract a pilot with the aim of becoming base captain. I don't think they do it either.

Do you know if DEC's must do a sim assessment in EMT or STC?

Wherever the interview is- if I'm not mistaken I think it's always in STN.

And yes DEC's have to do a sim assessment- lol nice question.

EFISchap
 

Some hints, Stay flexible!
Q1, It is summer, can take 2 days or 2 months?. TRY!
Q2 Any base is offered that day, not likely you ever see it . UNLESS you make that a dealbreaker.
Q3 No more BF contracts are on offer.
Q4 Yes .You most likely are invited to STC.

SAMCA :.Were do you get 13 000e/month from?. Rubbish.

Ryr has plenty of cadets.

What they need is TRE, DEC, and Inhouse FOs that can be upgraded.
Oh , and I forgot Line Trainers that like stress and peanuts.

Good luck to all.

So, is a previous TRI/TRE experience an advantage to apply for the training department? Even if it is on another type (for NTR DEC)?

13000 gross -45% tax = net salary flying 90 hours

Probably not, the only path to TRE as a DEC is to be a line trainer first. Or if a direct entry FO, SFI (TRI really but SFI in Ryanair terminology) first, then Captain and then TRE/Line trainer at the same time.

All TREs have to be LTCs (unless you've no medical obviously)

Theyre big on the right attitude towards teaching, much more so than previous experience at it. Everyone goes through FRs TRI/TRE course regardless of qualifications.

That's the way it should be.

What makes me wonder is why FR don't adjust the terms when they seems to be short of commanders. Is it true that FR reduced the bond from 5 to 3 years with that being advertised as "improved terms"?

"Quick" command....

Like some have suggested in the thread, a reality check might be useful for those who think they are in a situation where they can "demand " a command upgrade after their "long" two years experience in the right hand seat.
Command is not only about the tech proficiency they think their "grades" prove they have. Part of the equation is maturity, which by the way increase tech proficiency in many respects. How can a candidate for a position be so assertively judging himself suitable for the said position he has never been in ? Does he really think this is about a Base Captain being nice or not ? Does he genuinely believe such a decision of upgrading individuals to the Captain rank is a light responsibility to shoulder ? Does he think his 2 years experience as an FO grant him a view that equates that of a Base Captain on the matter ? Does he realise what such an agressive way of demanding command tells about his maturity for the job ? Has he ever heard about humility?
I don't expect you SAMCA to understand this post. The way of thinking you show proves objectively you are unable to at the moment. But I sincerely suggest you start digging in that direction.... 2 years... you haven't seen anything yet...
No hard feeling here.. Just a sincere suggestion... Humility and attitude are part of the required skills for this job

Well that is just your opinion. You don't know me, I've been Captain with 25 years old in a executive aviation company.

2 years in the RH seat?, no my friend I flew this airplane in America, from Canada to Uruguay, everysingle country...

Yes it is the responsibility of the Base Captain to recommend us for the CU. Sadly say that people like you do not have the correct perspective In training terms to recommend anybody. As a guidance you take your decition based on personal issues and not professional skills.

Humility? If you are who I think you are, this word is completely out of your dictionary. And you recommend me humility? Everybody knows you, who you are and where you comes from

Anyway I'm going to be happy always as FO or Captain, in this company or another but you are going to be alone in your life and with no friends and collegues in the base where you were BC during long long time.

2 years for me been more than enough time to understand what was going on...
10 years you stayed here and you are alone and completely lost.

Oh Dear Simca, not bitter then ?
I resigned from Line Training because of the trainees who thought they were much more competent than they actually were, had an unhealthy egotistical attitude, and who found it difficult to accept home truths (google it) or criticism.
It wasn't worth the stress.
It still isn't. Don't know why I felt the urge to post ......

Ok Samca

Fair enough. You are experienced.
I am basing my comments only on what you wrote on here and have no connection whatsoever with your company. By the look of it, I am not the only one to have reacted the way I did... So dare I say "food for thought" ?
But at the end of the day, you are certainly right, we don't know each other so my impressions may possibly have been wrong...
However, when things don't happen the way you want them to, looking inside might not be a bad idea...
Demanding command just sounded quite odd to me... Not too sure how demanding harder may work better though... let alone with the Chinese
Anyway... all the best
Cheers

Quick question - Has anybody started at Ryan with a validation of another ICAO licence?Other words without an European Licence.
I remember about ten years ago the Irish CAA did allow that.

I'm pretty sure Ryanair only employ EASA license holders now. It is at least a decade since they took non EASA. However the current experience shortage may force Ryanair to address this in one of 2 ways. Increase pilot salaries or employ non EASA keeping salaries down and profits up ! So I'd say hang in there buddy you have more of a chance than a ryr payrise 😉 imho

You sound confident donie, but not sure where you got that.

I flew with an FO yesterday who's been in the company 3 years and joined on a South African ATPL validated by the IAA. He said that validation needed to be renewed every 6 months by the IAA at a cost to him. He's since sat the UK EASA ATPL exams and did the flight test with RYR and is now in possession of the IAA EASA ATPL.

FWIW EASA has only been around for a couple years - far less than a decade ;)

My advice is apply to RYR and you'll find out the actual answer.

If you want to fly EI registered aircraft you have to hold a licence issued by IAA or at least validated by them..

I have an ICAO licence with B737NG type rating and applied to Ryanair last year. Here's the answer that I got from the guy at McGinley (November 2016):

"Thank you for your application to Ryanair. Presently we are not recruiting type-rated first officers. However, when we do start hiring applicants do need to have an EASA/JAA licence. We would not be able to accept your application if you hold an ICAO licence."

What I heard is that for captains they're accepting non EASA licence but the pilot has two years to convert his/her licence into an EASA one. Don't know if it's true.

Strictly speaking, you don't need an IAA issued licence - any EASA licence is legal. RYR make you get the IAA one however.

I got previous experince but not on the B737. Joined with 2000 h+ TT.
I got my +10 E the same day I reached the minimum requirement.
Also they have extended the +10 E program to 1200 h.

Min require to start CU program:

800 h B737 with Ryanair(+one winter season)
1500 h JAR-25
2900 h total time
2 last simchecks with grade good or better.