I just saw mcginley advertising for Ryanair NTR DEC with “Improved terms”. That means Ryanair has reviewed the package on offer?

Sally, that will be an "extra" 20 euros and hour when working, not 20 euros an hour while you are in the upgrade machine, sim, ground school etc ? so assuming the process takes 3 months, for 2 months you are paying your own way? last month being actual Line flying..Ok there's the deal at the hotel £25 a night, but still expensive .. or am I forgetting something here?

Just to be absolutely clear before explaining, I am in no way a fan of this and I would much rather be provided hotac and all related expenses but it's not an option.

You get an extra 10 en an hour for about 1000 hrs on the run up to the command and once enrolled in the upgrade system.
Then when you start the training you have roughly 2 weeks where you are not earning whilst completing the ground school and sim.
Then you're line training where you will receive an extra 20 eu an hour due to being out of base and then once checked and completing your first 100 hrs from left seat in your training base you obviously are being paid captain money.
It all evens itself out really as you're flying a lot during that time so the 2 weeks off isn't too much of a hit.

As I say, far from ideal but the days where I've flown an 8 hour block and received an extra 160 eu for that day I have not spent anywhere near that amount in hotels and food - there are various tax benefits (all above board before the usual crew send my IP address to the revenue inspectors) as you're out of your base so you generally keep most of the extra money.

Is part time still available on storm contract? Is it even worth it?

Really! thats a year and 3 months at least before the upgrade..I don't think so..and 2 weeks for ground school and sim? come on..we all agree Ryanair training is first class, but effectively its a self funding period of 2 months...not 2 weeks. As observed, not everyone with high hours is guaranteed a quick upgrade and most high hours FOs end up taking a pay cut in the "hope" of the deadly "fast track" command.

In my base te BC put you in the program of 10 Euros extra per hour 2 or 3 months before your ground course. We are 3 OCC guys with almost 2 years in the company and lot of experience and don't have this benefict. I sent a query to the company about this issue becouse I think I'm entitled BUT not answer at all.

Avenger - wrong I'm afraid. You are self funding part of it but the money does come back. Ground school and sim takes no more than 2 weeks unless there's some kid of unforeseen delay.

Samca - I understand and feel your frustration. However and with the greatest of respect English doesn't appear to be your first language and this may be a barrier. Also and as mentioned earlier in this thread no one is entitled to get onto the command upgrade program. You need to jump through the hoops.

Honestly I don't think the language is the problem here. Of course I have to jump through the hoops, I know I'm ready but there is a stone in my shoe... it is not a good place to speak about that but if you are a little bit smart you can imagine what is going on...

Cheers

Quick question - does anybody know if Ryan Air can arrange license validations for foreign licences ? I know City Jet does it !

A long time ago they did. I believe the policy now is that you must hold an EASA licence and be willing to change to an Irish EASA license. Who knows if the Ryans can't attract/keep staff with the current T's and C's I'm sure the IAA would facilitate whatever validation programme was suggested. However as we all know Ryanair are never short of pilots. ;)

Cagliari Base
 

Anyone based in Cagliari willing to share info like roster, number of aircraft based, average salary for cpt, life in Cagliari.

Hey everyone.

I've been trying to find solid info about pay & benefits, for both F/O & CA, and it's a nightmare. So many different agencies and contracts.

Is there any way I could filter all this info, or simplify it somehow, to find out the realistic earning potential for both positions?

I live in USA, but for family reasons I may consider moving back to Europe (Spaniard here).


Thanks guys

Yes it is quite simple. It doesn't matter what contract you choose if you do things in a proper way. That's mean if you pay taxes according to your salary (agency) or if you decide to take a Ryanair contract.

FO between 3500 and 4300 Euros net.
CPT around 5500 to 6500 Euros net

In both position flying 80 hours per month more or less. There is small difference between bases. Everything is included in this salary. Accomodation during training, housing, children schools, uniform, parking, food, drinks,snacks...

"Accomodation during training, housing, children schools, uniform, parking, food, drinks,snacks..."

Do I smell sarcasm :)

It seems like a pretty decent salary to me

You're joking right?

Hahahaha good joke

I'm not trying to piss off anybody. So I'll rephrase my question. What would it be considered a "fair"/good salary for a captain after taxes in your opinion?

And on what companies are you able to earn that. (In Europe that is)

8000 after tax for a Captain for medium body. 10,000 or more for wide body.

10.000 Euros nets for CPT
7.000 Euros net for FO

I think that in Europe only major airlines pay that. But that's the reason why so many experienced FO and CPT decide to go to ME, China...