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172_driver 10th Feb 2018 15:56

C172,

Thanks for caring so much for the rest of us than your ex-Monarch buddies. I don't get you... on one hand you don't like the way T&C are going, on the other you speak highly of this union busting set up, inviting expats to come home, low timers to gain experience. Then you go on to think that T&C is going to improve. Not really the hiring ground that sets the bar very high. SAIL was set up to reduce cost, not the other way around. It's called "In Shape". I am not sure SAIL pilots have been introduced to that term.

So please tell me more about this permanent contract that you'll get...... I am genuinly interested to know. Everyone would benefit if you got union representation to negotiate for you. Somehow I just don't think that is what SAS wants.

172_driver 10th Feb 2018 16:32


Currently the contract is with CAE Parc leading to a permanent contract later this year or so I am told. Lets be grateful that many were to find work quickly as Job seekers allowance will only go so far.
I told so earlier that I don't hate the player, I am glad things are working out for those in dire straits. What I do have a beef with is the moral of flagging out. Not because I am Scandinavian and care more for Scandinavians than Brits, but because at least we've got a union that is fighting hard to just maintain the quality of life we've got. And then we're completely undermined by an agency airline that is putting even higher pressure on us to be flexible to management's demands.

BluSdUp 10th Feb 2018 16:54

Union Busting!
 
How many pilots has SAS hired lately.?
How many SAS FOs has quit and gone to for example NOR or back to RYR?

SAIL was set up for Union busting to save a cent!

Serenity 10th Feb 2018 21:31

A lot of SAIL savings cone from the Irish tax breaks. Hence why Ireland has become the aviation flag of convenience.

Direct Bondi 11th Feb 2018 08:44

The abhorrent race to the bottom - can it be stopped?

The head monkey at SAS was left with little competitive choice but to follow Boring Juice Airways and open new base(s) renting pilots from agency service providers.

The pilots union and its members may have been promised that “agency pilots will be offered permanent contracts when the base is profitable." Permanent contracts with the airline or another agency possibly disguised as a resource group to prevent an employment relationship with the airline(?).

Ex-Monarch pilots and others with union aspirations should carefully read their agency contracts for clauses that may be used to permit quick termination of their organizational skills without notice reason or recourse.

Don’t be fooled by any disingenuous “welcome to unions” that will have no representation with the airline. Boring Juice Airways pilots pay union dues for representation to their agency employer not the airline.

History shows that efforts to effect change by an airline’s core group of pilots should be carefully considered. Negotiations deteriorating to a strike could cause an airline to be reorganized into separate divisions where ALL pilots are rented from service providers – Link:

https://e24.no/jobb/norwegian-air-sh...nting/23409020

Monkey see, monkey do.

MD80rookie 20th Feb 2018 17:38

Recruitment for the Spanish base, most likely Malaga, is now in progress.

You have to be available to start within a few weeks.

Lower pay than Norwegian, worse schedule than the LHR base.

:D

Perser_dk 21st Feb 2018 11:02

Anyone heard any news about DEC positions in CPH & ARN? Apparently that was mentioned before on some interviews, but nothing official as I can see.

gnarlberg 21st Feb 2018 13:09

via CAE @ Perser_dk?

172_driver 21st Feb 2018 21:02

That would be equivalent to declaring war.

HippoDK 22nd Feb 2018 06:56

That would require SAIL to open bases at CPH and ARN - i really doubt that. DEC into SAS - in your dreams.

gubbi123 22nd Feb 2018 13:53

DEC in any European legacy company is not possible, since their t&cs are good enough to have a stable workforce, hence high seniority pilots. You will ONLY see DEC is companys with a high turnover of employees, or when they start from scratch like eg. SAIL.

Sidestick_n_Rudder 22nd Feb 2018 18:21

I’m afraid that what was unthinkable a few years ago will become more and more common in the future... There are first signs in several places already

gubbi123 22nd Feb 2018 20:42

I think that would be one step too far, for the four SAS pilot unions in Scandiland, although I must admit that I am a bit surprised about the passiveness over the last year. DPF (the danish one) held the Collective Agreement for Cimber, still the union did nothing when it was sold to Cityjet, with the t&cs now for the worse. Let alone that the Cimber employees had their employer changed from SAS Group to an Irish working model with all that includes....

Even with the now ongoing SAIL program the pilot unions do nothing, just sitting on their hands, waiting for the major part of the pilots to retire within the next 8-10 years.

Fadecwithnos 27th Feb 2018 15:28

Have any been assessed for the malaga base?
did they send you the T&Cs?
I am attending the assessment next week in Manchester

jetfly 27th Feb 2018 16:08

If you’re going to an assessment you should’ve gotten that info already. Otherwise send CAE an email and request it.

What I’ve heard the roster at Malaga will be 6/3, compared to the LRH base 5/4.

It would be interesting to hear where you’re working now. And also it would be super interesting to hear from anyone who’s currently there.

As an insider in scandiland we have no info about what’s going on over there what so ever.

Direct Bondi 27th Feb 2018 17:13

The airline employee species is in imminent danger of extinction. Save A Scandinavian.

gubbi123 27th Feb 2018 18:04

If the SAIL goes well, then it is only the first step to move more jobs in the air, out of Scandinavia:

borsen.dk/nyheder/virksomheder/artikel/1/359058/sas_afviser_ikke_flere_fly_uden_for_skandinavien_vi_skal_til passe_os_lavprisselskaberne.html?utm_source=forside&utm_camp aign=nyhed_10

I have no idea, when the unions will say stop, if they will at all?

SoundLesS 28th Feb 2018 15:30

8300 pounds gross, equals about 5500 euros net in UK. Not quite an attactive salary, especially with the UK living standards...

Paper Lad 28th Feb 2018 16:50

And zero pension. Surely that's illegal in UK?

tubby linton 28th Feb 2018 19:01

Parc are following UK law on another of their UK contracts but it is only 1% of a maximum of £45000.They put £32 into it for me last month!


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