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Kudlaty 18th Mar 2016 12:39

BA Cityflyer career progression
 
Hi guys!

I have been doing research about BA Cityflyer, I have managed to find some valuable info on this forum but I still have some unanswered questions and I would really appreciate if someone knowledgeable could share some information.

1. What interests me the most is the career progression opportunities, especially how long on average it normally takes to upgrade from FO to Captain position.
Any real opportunities to become a TR instructor and a line training Captain?

2. I am also wondering if the airline offers type rating in exchange for a bond or is it a self-funded TR?

3. I found some information regarding salary on pilotjobsnetwork and some on this forum but I am still not sure how much a bonded F/O can expect for a starting salary.

As I said, I will appreciate any information! Thanks!

towser 18th Mar 2016 18:26

1. Depends on your experience but at the present rate upgrade could be quite quick. And yes again depending on experience training positions are possible.
2. Type rating is bonded NOT self funded.
3. I don't have the FO scales to hand so someone else will need to assist.

Sciolistes 20th Mar 2016 13:04

Day 1 BA FO's earn 75-80,000?

RexBanner 20th Mar 2016 13:13

If you tot everything up including flight/duty pay at mainline you're just about breaking £70k in year 1. Maybe a bit more with some overtime. Maybe a (very slight) exaggeration by the OP but he's not far off.

Sciolistes 20th Mar 2016 14:45

Ah, ok. Thanks.

trancada 21st Mar 2016 21:29

Sounds interesting!
Do they have night stops, in their destinations?

Kudlaty 27th Mar 2016 14:11

Thanks for the information! Is there any specific number of hours you need to have logged before you can start the command training or does it depend purely on seniority?
Regarding the pay, I don't know the tax thresholds in England, how much tax would I be paying earning approx 75k GBP per year?
I also need to consider the fact that living in/near London would consume a significant part of the salary, wouln't it?

Tay Cough 28th Mar 2016 08:21


Day 1 BA FO's earn 75-80,000?
Nice work if you can get it. ;)

I suggest you look at the small print again. :oh:

Sciolistes 30th Mar 2016 05:37


Originally Posted by Kudlaty (Post 9324835)
Thanks for the information! Is there any specific number of hours you need to have logged before you can start the command training or does it depend purely on seniority?
Regarding the pay, I don't know the tax thresholds in England, how much tax would I be paying earning approx 75k GBP per year?
I also need to consider the fact that living in/near London would consume a significant part of the salary, wouln't it?

About £4,300/mo in your hand.

tdk90 30th Mar 2016 07:07


Originally Posted by Sciolistes (Post 9327749)
About £4,300/mo in your hand.

Can you get part time eventually?

Jumbo2 30th Mar 2016 19:20


Originally Posted by Sciolistes (Post 9327749)
About £4,300/mo in your hand.

Is this salary quoted a nett BA Mainline or BA Cityflyer FO salary?
If it is a BA CityFlyer FO salary it is significantly higher then the likes of Jet2!

Kudlaty 1st Apr 2016 12:55


Originally Posted by Tay Cough (Post 9325559)
Nice work if you can get it. ;)

I suggest you look at the small print again. :oh:

Tay Cought, could you please elaborate on that?



Originally Posted by Jumbo2 (Post 9328449)
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Originally Posted by Sciolistes http://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
About £4,300/mo in your hand.

Is this salary quoted a nett BA Mainline or BA Cityflyer FO salary?
If it is a BA CityFlyer FO salary it is significantly higher then the likes of Jet2!

This is a very valid question! :) Can someone share some info on that?

EMB-145LR 1st Apr 2016 13:36

The amount mentioned (£4,300) is about average take home for an FO on year one of the DEP pay scale at BA mainline. My take home has varied from £4,100 to £4,900 per month since I joined.

If I remember correctly from my interview(s) with CityFlyer, the take home there is nearer £2,400ish for an FO.

eagle21 16th Feb 2019 08:23


Originally Posted by EMB-145LR (Post 9330151)
The amount mentioned (£4,300) is about average take home for an FO on year one of the DEP pay scale at BA mainline. My take home has varied from £4,100 to £4,900 per month since I joined.

If I remember correctly from my interview(s) with CityFlyer, the take home there is nearer £2,400ish for an FO.

How long do cadets stay on the Cadet Payscale? What allowances are available?
thanks

VinRouge 16th Feb 2019 10:16


Originally Posted by eagle21 (Post 10391518)

How long do cadets stay on the Cadet Payscale? What allowances are available?
thanks

city flyer also includes a London worker supplement I think I was told at a recruitment event. We were also told that the company does tours for a few days around Europe or alternatively night stops. Those tours could also include UK nightstops such as Edi. Caveat this with that gen is 2 years old.

RJ100 16th Feb 2019 19:43


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0f9d9f1bc.jpeg
BACF FO pay scales
Let’s not get carried away with BACF pay scales. See the actual ones below. Plus about £1900pa London weighting.

geardown1 17th Feb 2019 13:50

Are these basic salary figures? What would a year one FO expect to take net after additional pay?

Cheers

airspeed75 17th Feb 2019 17:13


Originally Posted by geardown1 (Post 10392667)
Are these basic salary figures? What would a year one FO expect to take net after additional pay?

Cheers

Have you applied? I just stuck in an application there and would be interested to know about the selection process. I believe it is with BA Mainline now but a search wasn't too revealing in terms of the BA CityFlyer version of this selection...

RJ100 19th Feb 2019 10:22

Geardown1,
Yes these are basic figures. Expect about another 5-6,000 on top for duty pay including London Weighting for a City base.

Recruitment selection is as per mainline with a slight difference. Day 1+2 is the same as mainline, but done on the same day. If successful on that day the Capt have a sim check, not sure about FO apllicants.



Jumbo2 19th Feb 2019 14:37

Is there a more prescribed process to get from Cityflyer into Mainline for those who fancy to work a bit harder but get the benefits of the mainline career progression, or is it still a work in progress to improve and streamline that process?

ndue345 22nd Feb 2019 14:10

If you join BACF, what chance do you have to join mainline?

RJ100 23rd Feb 2019 10:40

There is supposedly a “Career Pathway” in to mainline, but it’s not used or realistically available. The only advantage is we go straight through to Day 1 of the interview process.

Lazydogg 23rd Feb 2019 17:21


Originally Posted by RJ100 (Post 10392053)

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0f9d9f1bc.jpeg
BACF FO pay scales
Let’s not get carried away with BACF pay scales. See the actual ones below. Plus about £1900pa London weighting.


Appaling pay for Captains.

Jumbo2 24th Feb 2019 14:53


Originally Posted by Lazydogg (Post 10398533)
Appaling pay for Captains.

Just talking abut it with a mate who is considering a move there from FlyBE. It is always nice to earn more money but comparing it to other Regional operators like Eastern Airways, FlyBE, Loganair and Stobart Aviation the salary doesn’t look too bad. Or did we miss something?

RJ100 24th Feb 2019 17:29

Jumbo2,
Possibly not bad for a true regional airline. However please bear in mind that your work week will be more alighted with BA mainline ex LHR. 3-6 day tours are the norm with a duty pay of about £2/hr. You will probably spend most of that £2 eating down route. As a so called regional airline we fly to the Greek Islands daily during the summer months and Keflavik during the winter months. The number of night stops is similar with both EDI & LCY bases. With an EDI base there is no such thing as a 2 sector day!!

Jumbo2 24th Feb 2019 18:57

Thanks fair enough, didn't realise they went as far as Greece. Was meanly basing my opinion about the work on the ex-CityFlyer pilots who are shocked now working for Mainline about how hard they have to work compared to what they refer to as their cosy life in CityFlyer. I even heard one or two are considering going back to Cityflyer having only started in mainline last year.


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