Experienced bus guys applying for Ryan Air
 

Hi Guys,

Has anyone ever heard of this salmon way of swimming ? i.e."Experienced bus guys applying for Ryan Air" if you want a particular base being offered by the latter etc, etc....anyone with sage words are always welcome....

Don't count on getting the base you want, I know of a very experienced boeing captain who got invited to the interview with promises of the base he wanted, but when he got their it was basically about a complete different base. And even if you get offered the base you want during the interview, chances are you'll end up on a completely different base after you signed the papers.

Err, not sure you are quite correct there with your assumption about bases!

Most people turn up looking for a specific base, thats obvious.

However everyone is asked for 3 choices in list of priority.

Ryanair HR will try and accommodate a base request if it can.

When you have a requirement for experienced pilots and you can't offer them a base they want then even Ryanair knows they won't join.

Also if you want to piss them off even more and get them to leave is to change the base after you sign.

Err dont fink so.

I don't think any airline that wants to expand as fast as Ryanair would commit HR suicide by doing so.

Anyway we digress.

Back to the question not met any Airbus guys looking for jobs in FR thats not to say it not happening.

Plenty of guys in the gulf, A320/330 guys applying. No luck so far.

Also know a couple of KE A330 guys submitted details for DEC none rated.

They are still working overseas so dont think they have much luck.
They are not korean, have EASA licences and 10000 hours plus of airbus command.

Experienced Airbus captains looking to come home from the Middle or Far East to join Ryanair? It must be unbelievably dire working out of Europe to consider that. Incidentally, according to the Ryanair website, only 737NG-rated pilots need apply. Presumably the people who left them to join Norwegian now realise that life can be worse than Ryanair and will come back home to Uncle Michael, tails between their legs. It's a hard world out there.

i dunno where THE HELL the count gets his ..... up facts from, but the rednosed side of the ocean is a hellofalot shinier than the blue and yellow believe you me. anyone who has another idea let em' gimme a call so i can smack them silly or at least set em' straight with a nice little kick in the balls. the industry is full of whining, but none of it is coming from the guys i'm flying with..... anyone actually in nas, correct me, but obviously...... i'm not wrong..

"but obviously...... i'm not wrong.."



obviously :hmm:

Sorry to state the obvious, but wouldn't an Airbus rated pilot be better off applying to easyjet than Ryanair ?:confused:

I could understand A320 pilots applying for B737 jobs at BA for example but Ryanair is hardly an employer of choice, more of necessity.

Easyjet are not interested in anyone with experience for UK operations. You need to be an MPL cadet with less than 100 hours to be considered. There has been a small amount of recruitment into newly opened European bases where the terms and conditions offered were so bad that there was no internal uptake.

easyJet recently employed DEC for LGW base.

good luck in this industry :rolleyes:

I wonder what would happen if an experienced LHS/RHS driver submitted a cadet or junior F/O style CV, reached interview, maintained the secret until offered the job and then opened up with the truth. If they were then rejected it would make an interesting story for the media. If selection continued then you have a job.

RAT5
 

I don't think it would make a ripple.

The company, if rejecting you, could easily and truthfully say that you had been dishonest in your application.

Yes; but the big difference with other untrue job applications have all been with people claiming they are MORE qualified than they are. Hence my curiosity what would have if someone down-played their skills just to get a foot in the door.

Move to Asia or the Middle East where your skill and experience count for you instead of against you. UK industry seems to be like fast food where they want young, unqualified applicants who they can train their way and who will find it difficult to move on.:ugh:

I think Ryanair are being quite cute with current employment practices for the UK at least, they don't want another Summer like last Summer having to sub in aircraft and crews.

Meanwhile NAS/J2 have adopted the Ostrich school of management position, oblivious as to where the pilot requirements for 2016 will be met from, with NAS back to a 25% planned growth rate in 2016, FR with multiple monthly aircraft deliveries.

Some of this demand will be met from current sand people seeking greener/less brown pastures new, the big problem is basing, Jet2 can't offer anything South of EMA (other than ALC and that more sand) Norwegian can't for now offer anything North of LGW and with a strict base bidding system that means more sand in LPA/TFS for new starters for at least 6 months.

I doubt any (unlikely) increase in money will have any + effect either, home base is key and lets face it with UK infrastructure its easier to commute across Europe than drive between the Liverpool/Manchester and LGW

Even the often rumoured Midlands/Northern bases for NAS would be back filled from LGW based UK commuter and a few in AGP/ALC Euro commuters

When push comes to shove !
 

At the moment airline recruitment is largely run by so called ( usually by themselves) HR professionals who demonstrate an ostrich like talent for ignoring common sense and using trendy theory driven methods of recruitment.

While airline boards like to think of themselfs as progressive equal opportunities employers embrace these practices as a filter to cut down job applicants to manageable levels during periods of pilot gluts, however the prospect of aircraft sitting on the ground un-crewed will bring a new reality to the recruitment market.

Jet 2 have already junked most of the recruitment bull that had vastly experienced candidates being judged and rejected by computer games that are the stock in trade of the HR people, this comes first to Jet 2 as they are the last place ( unless you live oop North ) that a pilot would seek employment.

The same sort of recruitment reality will be headed towards all the airlines that find themselfs short of pilots, in short we are likely to see better T&C's and recruitment done by senior pilots interviewing candidates and applying what the guys at XL airways called the Sharm El Sheik test. ( could you go to Sharm and back and not want to throttle the guy by the time you got back to Manchester ).

It so going to be very interesting to see who is going to be next to find a new pragmatism in pilot recruitment, as usual Ryanair seem to be ahead of the market in this by improving the T&C's as it becomes first to identify the looming pilot supply crisis, perhaps it will also dawn on the management of other airlines that are copying the former Ryanair ways that perhaps the market has moved away from this way of doing business with their employees.

Ryanair improved T&Cs?, please tell me more

A and C,

Why would J2 be the last place a pilot would want to " seek employment "?

Do you have experience of them?

Mackey
 

Yes I do, worked for them for nine years & left with no hard feelings ether way, about three years back when my employer went bust I applied to Jet2, interview went well but the computer games did not, it would seem that 6000 hours in command of a 737 counts for nothing if you could not play ( the now trashed ) computer game.

However I veiw the Jet2 recruitment system as a resounding success ! I moved on to a job that pays better, has moden equipment, is based locally and has an enlightened safety culture.

My former workmates who did get the Jet2 job regards each flight on one of the B737-300's as a potential simulator session, have the HR department pulling them off line for the most minor infraction of the FDM, the policy on RNAV approaches is like something out of the dark ages and the management are very aggressive. The only upside is you do three tenths of naff all work during the winter.

That should do as an opening punt !

I second A and C....

That bond could have been double what it was, I'd still have paid it to get out! Horrible place!

So it seems that they get not only experienced guys but experienced guys who can also pass aptitude tests. Ho hum.

A lot has changed since you left, NINE years ago, and HR have nothing to do with FDM. I agree about the RNAV stuff though but who really cares.

JB, you come across as a bitter old man who is desperate to post anything negative about Jet2 on any thread. It's rather sad.

Spandex...
 

Oh well! At least it's only how I come across!

Definitely something a mod should be proud of.

chrian_dk. Please tell me English is not your first language. If it is not, then very well done that you are managing to be a numpty in not just your own language but someone else's too - a noteworthy achievement. Given your propensity to be right, as you have so eruditely informed us, it may come as a terrible shock to find that everyone you fly with does not quite agree with you. Indeed, difficult as it is to believe, I personally know people who would go back to Uncle Michael tomorrow rather than stay at NAS. This is mainly due to being told one day that tomorrow they were going on 3 month's unpaid leave as they had too many pilots. Just the kind of company everyone loves to work for. But as you say, you would kick anyone in the whatsits who disagrees, so you must be right. You are not a manager at NAS perchance are you? If not you seem to have all the personal skills required for such an illustrious and respected position - you really should give it a go as it may be just up your street.

Regarding easyJet not taking experienced pilots, it is not true. What is true is that they have not taken non-rated pilots in any numbers for years. They have this year taken a whole host of DECs to LGW (about 15-20 I believe) and a further number to new bases at OPO, LIS and NAP. All were very experienced Airbus pilots who did not find it necessary to falsify their hours downwards in order to get the job.

Regarding Jet2, I too am a former employee, albeit a number of years ago. I can only concur with A and C that it is one of the least attractive jet jobs in the UK.

Count of Monte Bisto

Yes EZY did take non rated FOs in 2014. 80 in total of 120 successful applicants. I was one of the unfortunate 40 who were ditched.

pianopilot - an outrageous and shameful thing it was too. I am personally deeply embarrassed at the episode. This was the first time in many years that easyJet had recruited non-rated pilots and it was much-trumpeted by the Management at the time. Unfortunately, it turned into an utter own goal as we subsequently binned 40 or so pilots we had offered jobs to. It was simply inexcusable and caused significant damage to easyJet's reputation as an employer. Sadly, there were opportunities to sort the mess out the following year, but to my knowledge not one of those pilots were ever given jobs at easyJet. Instead there was a return to the recruitment of type-rated pilots and inexperienced cadets. Many of these guys/gals are actually very good, but that is not the point. Keeping your word is vital, and on the occasion you referred to that did not happen. All I can say is that I am very sorry for what happened to you, and hope you have gone on to do well wherever you are.

Count of Monte Bisto

Thank you for your sympathetic words, I really appreciate them.

At the time of the assessment and the subsequent positive result I had been looking for a job for a year, because my former employer had gone bust.
Obviously I don't have to describe the difference between someone who is employed (which I believe most of my fellow applicants were) and someone who isn't, in terms of what they are going through emotionally.
After two months we were put in a hold pool. I thought: "fair enough, I can wait, just a matter of when, not if, I've been through worse."
Then I received a very mysterious phone call from them asking me about what I had been doing after my last flying job. I was unsettled and asked them whether this was going to change anything about the result. No she said.
In hindsight it is clear to me that this call's intention was to select 40 that could be ditched, probably based on whether they had been flying or not.
Apparantly an "excellent" simulator screening accounts for nothing if you haven't seen a real flightdeck for so long.
Another 4 months had passed until we received the crushing news.

Even after what happened, I'm not resentful and I'd still like to work for easyJet, because flying short and medium haul within europe for a stable carrier is what I want to do in the long term.

The main thing is I'm flying now. A few ex Ryanair and SunExpress FOs have joined recently who weren't happy there but are now, which tells me this is not the worst place to be.

sorry to the others for having gone off topic

where are you working now ?