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Daedalus737 14th Jun 2015 19:32

I've decided not to deposit 30.000€ with Norwegian and let the Dreamliner fly someone else. Social, isn't it?

niss 15th Jun 2015 05:45

I did the same

POT NOODLE HORN 15th Jun 2015 06:12

Opportunity
 
So I'm in the same situation, I have the opportunity to fly the 78 with NAS ....

Positives- good type rating and wide body experience

Negatives - lack of days off
Paycut
Bond
Upgrade time from RCA to 'full' cpt

Mmmmm decisions decisions

kwaiyai 15th Jun 2015 06:40

I will stay where I am too thanks.

Cliff Secord 15th Jun 2015 19:38

Fade to Grey

I may have mistaken you - apologies if I did - but I took it from the context of what we were talking about and your post that you viewed the NLH set up as a bond. If I mis read you, my apologies. If I did not, my point stands. Laying down a chunk of change is not a bond.

The Crew 15th Jun 2015 19:57

Pot Noodle, have you tecently interviewed and been offered a poition with NLH? When did you apply? Im guessing not to the recent adverts?

vernonthevelder 16th Jun 2015 10:42

Any truth to the rumour that BK has bought a server and placed it on a remote undisclosed island in the pacific ocean. Well guarded by local militia. Sources telling the sole purpose with the server is to use it mining Bitcoins at some point planning to start paying his staff that way instead of using cash money saving some money and the same time making air-travel cheaper and more available to the general public?

Gypsy 17th Jun 2015 06:26

Please can someone in the know tell me what the arrangements are for the type rating and bond for a DEC on the 787.
Many thanks

squarecrow 17th Jun 2015 07:21

@Gypsy likewise, If they are asking you to Pay up front with No Confirmed offer? On your head be it. If its with a written offer its not a bond its like a security Deposit. They don't have to spend Money chasing you over a bonding agreement which they may lose if its viewed as a Financial Penalty.
Basically if you go off before time they have nothing much to lose as they have your Cash already. Its been done before In a well known SE Asian Country before and others with Foreign Contract's. I Guess its here in Norwegian , I stand to be corrected but would like to know the lowdown also that's all.

Direct Bondi 17th Jun 2015 09:50

Who is asking you to "pay up front" and to whom?
Norwegian's 787 pilots are all employed by an agency and supplied to Norwegian (like catering and cleaning services). Any agency employment scheme involving fees, may not comply with the Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses Regulations 2003. The Employment Agencies Standards Inspectorate, EAS, should examine any "pay up front" revenue generator.

EAS information Link: http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/p/r...workers_V2.pdf

fade to grey 17th Jun 2015 14:45

If you need to know the bonding situation, speak to rishworth as they are solely engaged in this.
Basically the amount of bond varies dependant on what you've flown before.

For instance for previous 73/75/76 pilots €30k, more for those with Airbus only, less for 777 I believe.

Either have the cash, or bank guarantee letter. If it s cash it is deposited in a bank account. 12 months after you start the TR you get 1/3 back with any interest accrued, another year and so on. No one is asking you to commit to anything financially until you have a firm contract.

I've had €20k back so far with no problems

Direct Bondi 18th Jun 2015 11:52

Why would you hand over a 30k cash bond as opposed to providing a bank guarantee letter? - I am not convinced a bank guarantee letter is an option as it does not generate revenue for the party concerned until bond default.

Is the B787 type rating fee/bond subject to VAT and if so, have you also received VAT refunds on any cash payment?


Kirks gusset 19th Jun 2015 09:22

Bondi, some of your post portray a bitter and twisted person , akin to a barrack room lawyer, this is an aviation forum, not a human rights soap box. Your post No 11 (17/08/2012) " Norwegian did not pass Your assessment? " There is a world of difference between supporting the industry standards and derisory comments when guys are simply trying to work. As ventilated many times posts regarding VAT refunds, contract Law etc etc have little use when someone is trying to secure employment rather than stand on the ground gazing into the air..with respect a bit more balance would not go amiss. No one has the right to tell other people how to spend their money..Yes the NLH system appears to have flaws, but its a personal choice..If I believed half the stuff about THY I would have blown my own head off years ago, some complete and utter cr@p posted on these forums sometimes..

essexboy 19th Jun 2015 09:44

Well said Kirks. There appears to be a lot of chaff on this thread and very little wheat. As I understand it the bond does not attract VAT because it is not paid to anybody. It is held on account and paid back annually. I don't know about any interest accrued but I do know from guys that are there that it is paid back on time.

porkflyer 19th Jun 2015 10:13

Kirk you really an expert in communication. You sneak in on an unrelated thread to pump THY...ah ah ah you are the master !!!!
A bit sad as an attempt thou. Well above 90% of the thing you read on THY are 100% true by the way. The best European Airline is a pilot nightmare..not necessarily a expat pilot only.
Well I think you and your cronies managers and CFO/ CEO meeting at IATA to find ways to fill their pockets by screwing the lives and emptying those of professional pilots...and may want to think of this.
Times are changing man you will sure run of idiots to milk.

https://disciplesofflight.com/pilot-...did-pilots-go/

Gypsy 19th Jun 2015 10:37

fade to grey - thanks for the info above.

I would also like to know about rosters etc, days off, leave - how much and how difficult to get. Hotels - are they good etc. How long is the training. Anything useful to help with decision making. I know Rishworth have lot of this stuff but I'd just like to hear it from balanced first hand reports.

Post 187 mentioned a roster pattern but over how many days is that flown?

Many thanks

7Q Off 19th Jun 2015 14:50


Originally Posted by fade to grey (Post 9014973)
If you need to know the bonding situation, speak to rishworth as they are solely engaged in this.
Basically the amount of bond varies dependant on what you've flown before.

For instance for previous 73/75/76 pilots €30k, more for those with Airbus only, less for 777 I believe.

Either have the cash, or bank guarantee letter. If it s cash it is deposited in a bank account. 12 months after you start the TR you get 1/3 back with any interest accrued, another year and so on. No one is asking you to commit to anything financially until you have a firm contract.

I've had €20k back so far with no problems

So you need to pay the type rating plus the bond? 60 k aprox?

bairni 19th Jun 2015 19:23

no, you make a deposit of 30k (or according your previous rating)
after 12 months it is reduced to 20k
after 24 months it is reduced to 10k
after 36 months the bond is fulfilled

Shanwick Shanwick 19th Jun 2015 19:32

Gypsy

The big plus of the company are the people. You won't work with a better bunch of pilots. Perhaps as they're thrown together in less than ideal circumstances they just get along, very well.

Rosters - rubbish.

Leave - Request away but you won't get it. Probably bought at the end of the year.

Hotels - Rubbish. Mainly airport hotels due free transport.

To summarise, you wouldn't regret the move as the working environment is enjoyable but you may want to apply elsewhere one you have the rating.

highfive 19th Jun 2015 19:40

What real use is the rating?
I want to pay a mortgage off not fly for just for fun.

How can a noisy airport hotel ever be fun?


At some point the lifestyle has to be more important than the rating. Chasing ratings is a mugs game
and will land you off in a far flung part of the world working with guys who dont give a flying f;(k who you are. Unless you convert to Islam. Or marry a chinese.

The rich will like NLH. The wannabes will love it .
Dunoo about the rest.


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