Brussels Airlines A320 Capt. Contract
 

Hi,

Can anyone shed some light on the B-Line A320 contract T&C's?

I am interested in the usual stuff - pay, rosters, perks (id tickets etc) and chance of contract renewas (it's a 6 month contract initially)

Cheers!

Is this through an agency (Contractair ? ) if so, I would expect very low payment (as per JetAirFly nowadays ) due to the fact that they now only offer contracts "tax paid", so, like the poor Belges, you will have about half of what we used to expect as a "Contract Capt".

Happy ( really ) to be proved wrong, but I would imagine less than €5000/mth net.

You are joking, right? :E

Not really, the previously "lucrative" contract offered with JetAirFly became a total waste of time these last 2 years, as , Contractair are registered in Belgium & therefore have to be legal & "above board".

I worked for the predecessor of Brussels Airlines (Virgin Express) & when contracting was no longer possible, was looking at a 50% pay cut if I accepted permanent contract, things have got much more "regulated" since 2000, so , I cannot imagine you taking more than 5K (honestly :( )

Well, if it's really the case, then 'waste of time' pretty much sums it up - thanks for the insight CaptPlaystation!

First officers on the Avro make around 6k if you sum up salary and housing allowance. I guess cpt's will be on a much higher wage.

I find that, quite . . . ."incredible" given the level of taxation "enjoyed" in Belgium, and based on what "Contract FO's" receive in Norwegian for example.

Well, apply & wait & see, please let us know, but. . .don't build your hopes up.

Edited to say Giggey, we are talking net (I.E after tax here ) are we, 6K for FO's. ? really ?

That sounds more reasonable. Why do they need contract captains anyway? I'm sure there's enough 'local talent' to upgrade :confused:

Could be because anyone "local" with the experience to become PIC A320 chooses to sell their services elsewhere for a larger silver shilling. . . . as I said, happy (for all of us ) to be proved wrong, but. . . doubtful. Apply & reveal all please, we need to publicise this dumbing down of our Bucks vs Train Drivers.

Figures are net and i can assure you my source is very credible as it's in my family.
As a contractair employee you pay taxes in Uk not in Belgium.

The double taxation treaty between Belgium and the UK has been amended. This is the original treaty:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxtreaties/i...elgium-dtc.pdf

Which has been amended with the following, effective since december 2012:

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...35961/8549.pdf

As an employee it is now: pay tax where you live in stead of pay tax where the effective place of management of the company you work for is based.

Any chance for rated A320/330 FOs?
Thanks

Yep, they are advertising for F/O positions as well

Thanks c star.
Contractair right?
Strange...
Brussels used to hire directly.

Thanks again :)

I put Contractairs name on the 2nd post (with a ? mark ) so, don't know if it's them.

They do have an A320 vacancy on their site, so, I am guessing so.


This being it


http://www.resourcegroupjobs.co.uk/j..._(931568).aspx

Taxes, or National Insurance? Paying N.I. in the UK, for aircrew working in Europe, has not been legal since 2012.

European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Social security: improved and simplified rules for aircrew and cross-border self-employed workers
[ARCHIVED CONTENT] HM Revenue & Customs: National Insurance: New EU rules for flight and cabin crew working in two or more Member States

If Contractair are paying N.I. in the UK, this is decidedly - errr - against the rules. Unless you know of any way around this regulation.

How is this being achieved, exactly?

Guys i'm not as prepared about this as i have a different job in a different Airline.

What i was told was that salary is net of taxes i should ask for more info's.

What's sure is that salary for fo's was around 4500+1500 Housing allowance unless you decide to live in the Hotel which would otherwise be paid for.

Cheers

I just read the press releases in the links and the regs state: "For self-employed frontier workers, the new rules ensure that in cases where the country of residence has no unemployment benefit scheme for self-employed people, the country of last activity will pay the unemployment benefit"

As I understand it, there is no entitlement to unemployment benefit in the UK for self-employed people. Clearly other countries take a more enlightened view. Has anyone tried claiming?

As a pilot, working for an airline, even as "contractor"through an agency, you are NOT self employed.
You are an employee of the Airline you fly for.
Any company or individual claiming otherwise is not adhering to the EU legislation and commiting "false selfemployment", for which the employer is always guilty.

Longhitter
is right Silvertate needs to dig deeper as he is not looking at Article 15 .

It is complex that's for sure but what is written is not always the obvious as there are many caveats . Anyway I'm not an expert but this is what my Financial adviser told me . Anyway as the old saying goes two things certain in life " death and taxes"