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Originally Posted by Aluminium shuffler (Post 8733444)

Positioning is on days off,

This is well know. What I'd like to know is how your Part A defines a day off?

Ours says a day off is a day free from all duties.

@Wirbelsturm, It was more a question than a statement. Think you jumped the gun a little!!

Insurance is based on qualified rostered crews correctly mustered for that specific aircraft type and operation. Not on whether or not there 'happens' to be another qualified pilot on board. Odd question to ask and I was referring to the necessity to ask such questions.

Airlines want the money, if they can get away with charging you for 'dead heading' or jump seats you can guarantee that they will. It's free in the US to deadhead or use the Jumpseats, the ludicrous taxes levied against Air Fares in Europe under the 'Green' banner make it easy for airlines to charge for those 'extras'. The UK being the most expensive place in the world, after the recent increases to APD, to fly out of.

Positioning is and always should be a 'duty' hence it is a day at work. If the company 'require' you to operate from a base that is not your home base and they need to get you there by air/ground it is their duty to do so. I think the EASA regulations will muddy this a bit further as they want to allow your 'base' airfield to be within a set geographic distance from your home. (50 miles springs to mind)

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Do FR guys have to pay for jump seating or dead heading?? I thought that travel was one of the only perks!!

Perk!? Ha, try convincing me that when I have to travel 15 hrs to reach some back end part of Europe.

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What I'd like to know is how your Part A defines a day off?

Same definition.

We all know it's ambiguous.

Aluminium Shuffler:

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You will get no allowances from RYR of any sort. Positioning is on days off, and except on supernumary travel in uniform, at your own cost. All accommodation, equipment, uniform and sustainance is at your cost. You will also have to pay for medicals, licence issue and recurrent sim training at six month intervals and the annual SEP/CRM refresher. No sick pay or paid leave, no pay on standby.

The statement you make depends on contract type given, granted all new cadets are in such contracts, but this is not the entire picture available to the pilot applying.

Ryanair contracts WILL pay allowances for accommodation away from base (except training duties), accounts for duty travel, equipment, uniform and sustainment as part of the local base agreement added to the basic pay package. Furthermore this type of contract pays for medical, car park, insurance, NO sim nor recurrency training costs, has got statutory sick pay, holiday pay and more...

FALSE. I certainly had none of the above on my Ryanair contract issued after 2011. A €5000 per annum allowance on top of my ****ty €23000 salary was meant to cover everything. It was the then newly invented Junior FO payscale.

Thank god I left that awful place.